D3 superstar Seth Clevenger is a national champion! Solos 13:35 5000 to shatter DIII meet record

The lack of critical thinking in this post is alarming.

It also got picked up by College Football Network, and even the Times of India are covering it. I guess they'd know a thing or two about doping. Only a few more needed until the inevitable Wikipedia page has enough sources! :)

Normally I wouldn't support other publications recycling Gault's good work, but I'm all for it this time.

https://collegefootballnetwork.com/olympics/hostile-d3-ncaa-podium-iowa/

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Seth Clevenger Controversy: Seth Clevenger victory turns controversial after NCAA podium walkout by rivals amid peptide doping allegations from Iowa State days | International Sports News - The Times of India

International Sports News: Seth Clevenger won the national title at the NCAA Division III Indoor Track and Field Championships. But instead of celebration, the moment quickly tu.

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Was there a similar reaction to Rowan receiving the team trophy?

Also i love and find it hilarious that Brobible is doing some of the best coverage of this in such a niche sport. They also had an article back in the fall when the Iowa State doping scandal initially occurred.

The NCAA officials had all the womens teams and the other three men's teams gather on track. They had the Rowan team by themselves gathered oh the other end of the track. When LaCrosse received the second place trophy they ushered them away but in the opposite direction that they sent every other team off the podium (to avoid going past Rowan). Almost no one was there for Rowans trophy. The other teams were all back over on the inside of the track congratulating one another.

What I find particularly ironic in this situation is the contrast in how Division III handled two very different cases. On one hand, a cross-country athlete who was working the graveyard shift at a nursing home to help pay his tuition was banned from competition when members of the local community stepped in and raised funds through a GoFundMe to support him. On the other hand, an athlete facing overwhelming evidence of doping was still allowed to compete and ultimately helped carry his team to a national title by just one point.

The juxtaposition highlights what appears to be an inconsistent application of rules—where a student working to support his education faced immediate consequences, while a far more serious allegation involving performance-enhancing drugs did not prevent another athlete from competing in a championship outcome.

its obvious he cares deeply about his training and the sport, I think for many put in a similar situation that he was in, I could see looking to every small advantage.
Whether he did or did not use something illegal isn't really the question, the real question is how crazy is D1 that it would drive athletes who ARE DOING ALL THE WORK to do stuff like this.
Good for him going D3, good for him winning NCAAs, and I think everyone could worry more about their own lives than criticizing others. Doping or not he is fast, and likely still faster than the whole d3 field. Give the guy a break.

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Looks like Sobaski stuck around after the 3k instead of joining the 6 off to the side.
Circumstances aside, good on him for sticking to his religious beliefs/morals

Maybe. A d3 record holder probably gets some kind of contract post college.

I doubt any of the 30th-50th fastest D1 athletes indoors this year, who ran similar times, most of who are probably clean, are getting a dime:

I get what you are trying to say. But just being an athlete who makes the lists in D1 is hugely respectable. Some people's egos can't accept not being the best and hence they dope. Sadly as money is on the line, there are probably a lot more dopers in the ncaa than we know about. There just needs to be a lot more testing across the board.

Because the geriatric officials live in a bubble 1970s world where amateurism needs to be enforced even as college athletes in some sports live in mansions, drive sports cars, and D1 track athletes basically have shoe contracts or are athletes for hire taking rocks for jocks to live essentially as pro athletes for 4-6 years.

13:30 is 13:30 regardless of Division. It doesn't get a contract.

"Hmm, I'm really underwater in the public eye right now. How can I make myself even MORE unlikeable? Oh, I know!"

*Puts on diamond earrings and multiple sparkling necklaces*

Ethan Gregg has a contract and he was a 13:50 guy coming out of college. I think a 13:30 guy could get a small contract of some sort. Maybe to race the roads.

Absolutely, 13:35 equals approximately 28:10, which (depending on adaptation) could lead to 1:01:00-1:02:00 half marathon, or faster. Look at someone like Alex Maier, better than Seth but Seth still has potential to improve and nab a contract with a shoe company.

What's Seth's ceiling? He's only 22, and has 3:59/7:54/13:35. Not bad. He has potential to run 13:15/27:30, I believe, in the next 2-3 years. That's more than enough to turn pro.

I think Seth's major is nutritional science - hopefully he'll get meaningful work. All the negative vibes aren't helping his case. More clarity needed.

If he crossed the line, he needs to put his hands up, take the consequences, and then move on. Living in rumours land isn't productive.

I agree. More clarity is needed. Iowa State could provide this clarity except Seth refuses to sign a FERPA release. At this point, I think you can safely assume why he won't do that.

I'm assuming Seth (and Rowan Uni) have been advised not to sign a FERPA at this stage because if he signed, the collateral damage to all sides (The University, different individuals) would be significant. One can also assume Seth and Rowan Uni track and field are receiving legal advice.

Patience is needed, but all will be revealed in due course.

Okay I’m saying it; the potential collateral damage is due to him not signing the FERPA early on and now we’re here.

All should have been revealed early on from the start but now things got out of control. Realistically any sane person would try to clear their own name up shortly after transferring to a new school right after one of the biggest scandals in NCAA history.

The longer this drags on the worse it will get for everyone. On the same coin, if he had nothing to hide then why wait this long? He has nothing to lose at this point.

We have been patient but we are getting tired. Silence speaks when voices don’t. We’re at the point where people are emailing Rowan donors and sponsors due to the SEVERE lack of transparency. Frankly him and Rowan holding out is doing more damage than had they just come out with a statement right now

The moment the truth comes out, and so will Iowa State’s truth.

Just a thought...

What would this look like if Seth/Rowan came out in January stating he had used PEDs, or was in possession of them, but had not tested positive, and was no longer using them? Basically tell the truth with the understanding the NCAA could nothing? What would the blowback be then? Better/worse?