There are no plans for Sam to race another 800m this season.
Cooper is the undisputed king of age group 800m running and will likely be that way for decades as what he accomplished is truely exceptional.
Sams coach Craig is focused on getting different aspects of a 1500m/mile together as building blocks for the future. Sam hasn't run as fast as 16 year old Jakob over 5000m or nearly as fast as Cooper over 800m but I think hes got more strength than Cooper over say 5k and more speed than a 16 year old Jakob over 800m.
Craig Kirkwood puts together his long term plan.
Sam Tanner couldn't be a more generous, caring team mate and role model. The fact Tanner can run a good 800m and good 5k to go with his 3.31 1500m makes him an ideal training mate. Sams been very lucky to have him and Craig.
Sam will sacrifice a long northern hemisphere season for schooling this year so probably not many shots at a fast 800m until 2027.
Cheers for the support all
These were my thoughts. A 1:45 & 13:40 is tremendous at 16.
There are no plans for Sam to race another 800m this season.
Cooper is the undisputed king of age group 800m running and will likely be that way for decades as what he accomplished is truely exceptional.
Sams coach Craig is focused on getting different aspects of a 1500m/mile together as building blocks for the future. Sam hasn't run as fast as 16 year old Jakob over 5000m or nearly as fast as Cooper over 800m but I think hes got more strength than Cooper over say 5k and more speed than a 16 year old Jakob over 800m.
Craig Kirkwood puts together his long term plan.
Sam Tanner couldn't be a more generous, caring team mate and role model. The fact Tanner can run a good 800m and good 5k to go with his 3.31 1500m makes him an ideal training mate. Sams been very lucky to have him and Craig.
Sam will sacrifice a long northern hemisphere season for schooling this year so probably not many shots at a fast 800m until 2027.
Cheers for the support all
Thanks Dadrunner. Question...has Armstronglivs reached out to you yet, or invited you to a BBQ. Guess not.
Excited to see Sam running so fast! What do you think he can run for 1500m this season? His 800m is a score of 1147. That score for 1500m is 3:37.04. Can he run 3:36?
Excited to see Sam running so fast! What do you think he can run for 1500m this season? His 800m is a score of 1147. That score for 1500m is 3:37.04. Can he run 3:36?
I'm sure he could probably run as fast as Katir did.
Excited to see Sam running so fast! What do you think he can run for 1500m this season? His 800m is a score of 1147. That score for 1500m is 3:37.04. Can he run 3:36?
I'm sure he could probably run as fast as Katir did.
So he can lose by 1.5+ seconds, assuming Cooper has a decent day and Sam has a great one?
Ruthe is an incredible talent, one of the most exciting young milers we have seen in recent years, maybe the most exciting since Jakob.
The hype around this race before it happened, the excitement at the idea that he *might* go sub 1:46, really puts in perspective how impressive Coopers run at USAs was last year. I know this gets said every time a young phenom blesses the track with an unbelievable performance, but 1:42.2 as a 16 year old might actually be something we never see again.
Uumm no. The race that Cooper ran his 1:42 had 8 guys run sub 1:45 and it was in perfect conditions. Ruthe just ran 1:45 with only Tanner to compete against and the conditions were nowhere near ideal. If Ruthe was put in a Diamond League race 6 months or so from now with a stellar lineup and similar perfect conditions I believe he too could run something extraordinary.
1:45.86 and 1:42.27 are galaxies apart under any conditions
Uumm no. The race that Cooper ran his 1:42 had 8 guys run sub 1:45 and it was in perfect conditions. Ruthe just ran 1:45 with only Tanner to compete against and the conditions were nowhere near ideal. If Ruthe was put in a Diamond League race 6 months or so from now with a stellar lineup and similar perfect conditions I believe he too could run something extraordinary.
1:45.86 and 1:42.27 are galaxies apart under any conditions
The comparison is absurd for an obvious reason which is that one runner is a 400/800 runner and the other is a 1500 runner. You may as well compare Hoey with Ingebrigtsen over the 800.
I would love to see Ruthe go up against Cooper Lutkenhaus over 800m in a Diamond League or similar.
So he can lose by 1.5+ seconds, assuming Cooper has a decent day and Sam has a great one?
Ruthe is an incredible talent, one of the most exciting young milers we have seen in recent years, maybe the most exciting since Jakob.
The hype around this race before it happened, the excitement at the idea that he *might* go sub 1:46, really puts in perspective how impressive Coopers run at USAs was last year. I know this gets said every time a young phenom blesses the track with an unbelievable performance, but 1:42.2 as a 16 year old might actually be something we never see again.
How many times has Cooper broken 145 again? Obviously it would be a cool race and Sam could totally beat him on the right day. I swear some of you act like you've never watched track and seen people have widely variable results before. Both of them are unreal talents and hopefully we get to enjoy them a long time.
There are no plans for Sam to race another 800m this season.
Cooper is the undisputed king of age group 800m running and will likely be that way for decades as what he accomplished is truely exceptional.
Sams coach Craig is focused on getting different aspects of a 1500m/mile together as building blocks for the future. Sam hasn't run as fast as 16 year old Jakob over 5000m or nearly as fast as Cooper over 800m but I think hes got more strength than Cooper over say 5k and more speed than a 16 year old Jakob over 800m.
Craig Kirkwood puts together his long term plan.
Sam Tanner couldn't be a more generous, caring team mate and role model. The fact Tanner can run a good 800m and good 5k to go with his 3.31 1500m makes him an ideal training mate. Sams been very lucky to have him and Craig.
Sam will sacrifice a long northern hemisphere season for schooling this year so probably not many shots at a fast 800m until 2027.
Cheers for the support all
Thanks Dadrunner. Question...has Armstronglivs reached out to you yet, or invited you to a BBQ. Guess not.
this was tongue in cheek. But really, you (Armstronglivs) are in NZ. Why don't you address your concerns privately (or publicly I suppose) to the people that matter there, The the NZ Athletics, to the Ruthe team, to the doping authorities , to the govt sports ministry , to whomever....rather than casting stones on a running forum ad nauseum. Criticism veiled as innuendo veiled as 'free speech'.
Make the accusations directly and people will support you if you are correct. Otherwise you are just an (old and grumpy) tool
I suggest we keep the conversation focused on Sam's marvelous performance. Ignore the troll that keeps trying to derail the thread.
Speaking of Sam, I think it's so cool that Sam Tanner is training with Sam R. It reminds me of Nick Willis training with Hobbs Kessler while Kessler was in high school.