Who does Jakob think of first that motivates him to train when he wakes up? I feel like it’s Hocker because he has won gold the last 2 championships they’ve raced each other in. It probably was Kerr in 2023/2024 but that ship has kind of sailed. Hope we see all three at world indoors.
I was listening to a NBA player compare the NFL to the NBA. He said NFL players care more about every snap that's why the product was better. Me watching that hating football and loving basketball can't even refute any part of that. Same goes for our sport. Other races have to matter. I hate following college xc cause they race like 2 times a season. At least in track they run hard more often.
NFL players can go hard every snap because there is a pause in between each snap, they only play once a week, and they only play on one side of the ball. An NBA player has to play both offense and defense, they can go minutes without a pause, and there are times when they have to play 3 games in 4 nights.
The human body can only handle so much. Load management is key. This applies to Hocker. As a clean athlete, he cannot perform at his highest level all season long. It is physically impossible. He must measure his efforts and time his peak carefully.
I was listening to a NBA player compare the NFL to the NBA. He said NFL players care more about every snap that's why the product was better. Me watching that hating football and loving basketball can't even refute any part of that. Same goes for our sport. Other races have to matter. I hate following college xc cause they race like 2 times a season. At least in track they run hard more often.
NFL players can go hard every snap because there is a pause in between each snap, they only play once a week, and they only play on one side of the ball. An NBA player has to play both offense and defense, they can go minutes without a pause, and there are times when they have to play 3 games in 4 nights.
The human body can only handle so much. Load management is key. This applies to Hocker. As a clean athlete, he cannot perform at his highest level all season long. It is physically impossible. He must measure his efforts and time his peak carefully.
He doesn't have Achilles issues though. He certainly knows how to time his peak. He only has to do it once a year. The rest is a trough.
Translation: so [(1)] he can't get championship distance outdoor world records and [(2)] now loses in global outdoor championship finals.
You've not proven your first claim, that (1) "he can't get championship distance outdoor world records." Certainly indoors in 2025, less than one year ago, he got the 1,500m world record, en route to the indoor world record in the mile. Neat trick.
And as for your second claim, that he (2) "now loses in global outdoor championship finals," observe that Jakob Ingebrigtsen won a global championship in 2021 (Olympic 1500m), in 2022 (WC 5,000m), in 2023m (WC 5,000), and 2024 (WC 5,000m). So from 2021 - 2025, he won a global championship in 4 of 5 years. One year, 2025, is a datum, not a trend line. Did any other middle-distance or long-distance runner, male or female, achieve that string of global championship victories?
Noah Lyles. Hocker isn't close to his competition in stature
He doesn't have Achilles issues though. He certainly knows how to time his peak. He only has to do it once a year. The rest is a trough.
Hocker had an Achilles issue in the spring of 2023 which delayed the start of his season and hampered his preparations.
So over 2 and a half years ago. Hasn't hampered him since - winning global finals in 2024/25. There must be another reason why he can only win one big race a year in the last couple of years.
You've not proven your first claim, that (1) "he can't get championship distance outdoor world records." Certainly indoors in 2025, less than one year ago, he got the 1,500m world record, en route to the indoor world record in the mile. Neat trick.
And as for your second claim, that he (2) "now loses in global outdoor championship finals," observe that Jakob Ingebrigtsen won a global championship in 2021 (Olympic 1500m), in 2022 (WC 5,000m), in 2023m (WC 5,000), and 2024 (WC 5,000m). So from 2021 - 2025, he won a global championship in 4 of 5 years. One year, 2025, is a datum, not a trend line. Did any other middle-distance or long-distance runner, male or female, achieve that string of global championship victories?
Noah Lyles. Hocker isn't close to his competition in stature
No one in distance running gets close to Farah's consecutive Olympic and WC victories over the 5k/10k.
Hocker had an Achilles issue in the spring of 2023 which delayed the start of his season and hampered his preparations.
So over 2 and a half years ago. Hasn't hampered him since - winning global finals in 2024/25. There must be another reason why he can only win one big race a year in the last couple of years.
What do you guys typically say about people performing well about injury on these boards??
I wasn’t trying to refute your post, I’d agree with you if he won a double in both Beijing and in LA. It’s just that from my POV it would suck if he didn’t do the things I said, it’s just a fanboy thing, I’ll admit, because I like putting more stock into WRs and wins on the DL or dominating wins in general. I hope Hocker sets a huge time over two miles in Millrose and destroys Fisher. I hope he runs a super fast Mile at Pre in the 3:43-3:44 range. I hope he goes to Europe and runs a 1500/5000 leading from start to finish in a quick time (3:27 or a 12:40). That’d really challenge Jakob’s legacy if you ask me, and I think Hocker can do it. Just not sure where his priorities are. It’s sort of like comparing Mo Farah to Bekele. He successfully completed 4 straight 5-10k doubles while Bekele only did two. But does that really matter that much? Yes, I know that Jakob doesn’t hold atleast one of those Olympic distance WRs but likewise, Farah was also pretty dominant throughout the season as well when Hocker just isn’t.
Interesting and good point regarding Farah v Bekele.
What I will say about that is that the only thing that really gives the nod to Bekele over Farah is the fact he broke those WR's because otherwise the reality Farah was able to do this back to back at an Olympic Games and in between those games, back to back WC's would make him greater than Bekele. Farah is a little bit underrated in the annuls of all-time greats because he never really ran amazing times (except ironically over 1500m) but his championship record over 5/10 is almost not arguable as the greatest we have ever seen. Farah basically dominated an entire decade over those distance. Across 4 world champs and 2 Olympic Games he did 4 doubles and the only thing that thing that ruined his perfection were silvers in the 10000m in 2011 and 5000m in 2017 and the combined losing margin for both those races was 0.69 seconds. Wow.
But that I think is the point here, Jakob needs to take at least one of those records from El G or Cheptegei. The 3000m is a legendary performance just as Komens was - but it's not the same as the 1500, mile or 5000m record. Will he? Let's see - total unknown right now.
Hocker had an Achilles issue in the spring of 2023 which delayed the start of his season and hampered his preparations.
So over 2 and a half years ago. Hasn't hampered him since - winning global finals in 2024/25. There must be another reason why he can only win one big race a year in the last couple of years.
As as I said, load management is key. He must be careful to not overly exert himself in order to prevent another injury. Staying injury free the past two years has enabled Hocker to win national and global championships.
Clean track athletes cannot go hard and maintain their highest level all year long. It is physically impossible.
I don't understand why guys like you seek conflict sometimes. And it's f-ing annoying when you don't bother to read the content prior and just jump in with what you believe is a salient point which doesn't really add anything. Be better.
Firstly the discussion with Snowy was regarding the 5000/10000m on the track okay? Nobody is disputing the GOAT status of Bekele in terms of distance running. Well aware of the XC prowess, the marathon portfolio. No Salazar? Well Bekele had Jos - pick your poison there.
But purely looking at the track (as was the discussion), if Bekele hadn't held those WR's (let's say he still even ran faster than Farah but not under the WRs - maybe 12.42, 26.25 or so), it would be hard to put him above Farah who also pretty active on the circuit and won a lot at DL/GP level. That was the point being made.
Bekele 8 golds on the track? Okay, Farah 10, including doing twice what Bekele could only do once at both the Olympic Games and World Champs - win the 5/10 double. Farahs record at major events on the track is quantifiably better, I don't actually see what argument there is against that. Each were equally dominant but Farah put himself out there more and delivered.
Multiple things can be true at the same time - a good concept to understand and accept here. Bekele can be and is the greatest of all time. Mo Farah can have a more impressive resume over 5000m and 10000m at major championships. Which he does.
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I don't understand why guys like you seek conflict sometimes. And it's f-ing annoying when you don't bother to read the content prior and just jump in with what you believe is a salient point which doesn't really add anything. Be better.
Firstly the discussion with Snowy was regarding the 5000/10000m on the track okay? Nobody is disputing the GOAT status of Bekele in terms of distance running. Well aware of the XC prowess, the marathon portfolio. No Salazar? Well Bekele had Jos - pick your poison there.
But purely looking at the track (as was the discussion), if Bekele hadn't held those WR's (let's say he still even ran faster than Farah but not under the WRs - maybe 12.42, 26.25 or so), it would be hard to put him above Farah who also pretty active on the circuit and won a lot at DL/GP level. That was the point being made.
Bekele 8 golds on the track? Okay, Farah 10, including doing twice what Bekele could only do once at both the Olympic Games and World Champs - win the 5/10 double. Farahs record at major events on the track is quantifiably better, I don't actually see what argument there is against that. Each were equally dominant but Farah put himself out there more and delivered.
Multiple things can be true at the same time - a good concept to understand and accept here. Bekele can be and is the greatest of all time. Mo Farah can have a more impressive resume over 5000m and 10000m at major championships. Which he does.
I read your post and only wanted to respond to the first sentence lol. It's not that deep. Bekele is superior to Mo. Still waiting on a response to post #53 though 😂. Mo could only win mostly when Bekele left the track.
Bekele - June 13, 1982
Mo - 23 March, 1983
10 greater than 8 yes. What's that head to head record look like??
2 miles-
bekele
1 mo 0
3k-
bekele 3
mo 1
5k-
bekele 6
mo 1
10k-
bekele 0
Mo 2
Half marathon-
bekele 1
Mo 0
Marathon-
bekele 0
Mo 2
Senior xc-
bekele 3
mo 1
2 wr's to 0
10 xc world champs to 0
Marathon careers aren't even comparable whatsoever. You wrote all that to elevate Mo and he doesn't come close despite 10 golds.
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Hocker had an Achilles issue in the spring of 2023 which delayed the start of his season and hampered his preparations.
So over 2 and a half years ago. Hasn't hampered him since - winning global finals in 2024/25. There must be another reason why he can only win one big race a year in the last couple of years.
Hocker had an Achilles issue in the spring of 2023 which delayed the start of his season and hampered his preparations.
So over 2 and a half years ago. Hasn't hampered him since - winning global finals in 2024/25. There must be another reason why he can only win one big race a year in the last couple of years.
He was disqualified after the semifinal of the Men's 1,500m at the Tokyo World Championships in 2025. It's reasonable to think he had a chance at winning the final. You conflate did not with cannot. You are not omniscient.
I don't understand why guys like you seek conflict sometimes. And it's f-ing annoying when you don't bother to read the content prior and just jump in with what you believe is a salient point which doesn't really add anything. Be better.
Firstly the discussion with Snowy was regarding the 5000/10000m on the track okay? Nobody is disputing the GOAT status of Bekele in terms of distance running. Well aware of the XC prowess, the marathon portfolio. No Salazar? Well Bekele had Jos - pick your poison there.
But purely looking at the track (as was the discussion), if Bekele hadn't held those WR's (let's say he still even ran faster than Farah but not under the WRs - maybe 12.42, 26.25 or so), it would be hard to put him above Farah who also pretty active on the circuit and won a lot at DL/GP level. That was the point being made.
Bekele 8 golds on the track? Okay, Farah 10, including doing twice what Bekele could only do once at both the Olympic Games and World Champs - win the 5/10 double. Farahs record at major events on the track is quantifiably better, I don't actually see what argument there is against that. Each were equally dominant but Farah put himself out there more and delivered.
Multiple things can be true at the same time - a good concept to understand and accept here. Bekele can be and is the greatest of all time. Mo Farah can have a more impressive resume over 5000m and 10000m at major championships. Which he does.
For just 5000/10000 on the track, Bekele is way ahead of Farah. No discussion needed.
I don't understand why guys like you seek conflict sometimes. And it's f-ing annoying when you don't bother to read the content prior and just jump in with what you believe is a salient point which doesn't really add anything. Be better.
Firstly the discussion with Snowy was regarding the 5000/10000m on the track okay? Nobody is disputing the GOAT status of Bekele in terms of distance running. Well aware of the XC prowess, the marathon portfolio. No Salazar? Well Bekele had Jos - pick your poison there.
But purely looking at the track (as was the discussion), if Bekele hadn't held those WR's (let's say he still even ran faster than Farah but not under the WRs - maybe 12.42, 26.25 or so), it would be hard to put him above Farah who also pretty active on the circuit and won a lot at DL/GP level. That was the point being made.
Bekele 8 golds on the track? Okay, Farah 10, including doing twice what Bekele could only do once at both the Olympic Games and World Champs - win the 5/10 double. Farahs record at major events on the track is quantifiably better, I don't actually see what argument there is against that. Each were equally dominant but Farah put himself out there more and delivered.
Multiple things can be true at the same time - a good concept to understand and accept here. Bekele can be and is the greatest of all time. Mo Farah can have a more impressive resume over 5000m and 10000m at major championships. Which he does.
I read your post and only wanted to respond to the first sentence lol. It's not that deep. Bekele is superior to Mo. Still waiting on a response to post #53 though 😂. Mo could only win mostly when Bekele left the track.
Bekele - June 13, 1982
Mo - 23 March, 1983
10 greater than 8 yes. What's that head to head record look like??
2 miles-
bekele
1 mo 0
3k-
bekele 3
mo 1
5k-
bekele 6
mo 1
10k-
bekele 0
Mo 2
Half marathon-
bekele 1
Mo 0
Marathon-
bekele 0
Mo 2
Senior xc-
bekele 3
mo 1
2 wr's to 0
10 xc world champs to 0
Marathon careers aren't even comparable whatsoever. You wrote all that to elevate Mo and he doesn't come close despite 10 golds.
But just looking at the track, Mo's career is better if Bekele had never run WR times over the 5000/10000m. Can you not read? You guys can never be serious. It's all about winning the majors (global championships) when talking about Jakob but when I bring up a similar comparison with Bekele and Mo, now it's all about times and H2H records. Sorry but you are insufferable.
But just looking at the track, Mo's career is better if Bekele had never run WR times over the 5000/10000m. Can you not read? You guys can never be serious. It's all about winning the majors (global championships) when talking about Jakob but when I bring up a similar comparison with Bekele and Mo, now it's all about times and H2H records. Sorry but you are insufferable.
What you miss I think is that Bekele had the aspect of Jakob (dominating on the circuit, running fast), and then you add to that records and championships dominance (granted some years without doubles). You also add legendary XC abilities While Farah has the stellar championship track record, he lacks everything else off the track, is a bit thin on the circuit (he has some wins obviously), and setting records.
Bekele could not be beat barring something crazy in his main event (10K/XC) for 7 years (03-09), and then he was damn good at the 3-5K as well.
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But just looking at the track, Mo's career is better if Bekele had never run WR times over the 5000/10000m. Can you not read? You guys can never be serious. It's all about winning the majors (global championships) when talking about Jakob but when I bring up a similar comparison with Bekele and Mo, now it's all about times and H2H records. Sorry but you are insufferable.
What you miss I think is that Bekele had the aspect of Jakob (dominating on the circuit, running fast), and then you add to that records and championships dominance (granted some years without doubles). You also add legendary XC abilities While Farah has the stellar championship track record, he lacks everything else off the track, is a bit thin on the circuit (he has some wins obviously), and setting records.
Bekele could not be beat barring something crazy in his main event (10K/XC) for 7 years (03-09), and then he was damn good at the 3-5K as well.
They had to come out with new tech (shoes and track) to beat his records. Over a decade later. He switched surfaces before Mo could compete with him despite being so close in age. Bekele is now a complete whole tier above mo in my opinion