D2 NCAA XC

Head to Head was #1 in 2024. It was more important than secondary wins because you could be eliminated and not even get to part B.

In 2025 Step 1 A & B are being done side by side.

The new criteria is saying everything will produce a score. I just used the word points.

if tiffin is taken how is Walsh and Ashland not taken they both beat tiffin at GMACs. I feel like if you take tiffin you have to take Walsh and ashland along and seeing how close Michigan tech was they might be a factor.

The other main issue with all of this is still having 3 autos per region. If it was adjusted to 2 autos per region and then 18 at large bids, we would have none of this debate. I know the rules well enough, and I am confident in either path that I posted, knowing that it will sadly be a committee decision for this year. There is no new criteria this year, just a changing of the words for clarification because even I will admit it was confusing to understand how the win/loss chain goes.

Because Tiffin is the 10th and last team in. They are behind MSU-D and Fort Lewis.

Is there a chance that ashland will get in. they do have a quality win over a national level team in Davis and Elkins and there loss to Charleston was very close.

they should just take the ustfccca poll unless something wild happens at a region. the coaches should have input

I believe that Walsh will be taken in the next round after Tiffin. They will have 2 direct wins against the teams they are being compared to in that round (San Marcos & Palm Beach). That coupled with secondary wins will get them in.

Ashland will not get selected in round 10 due to not having any quality direct wins against the teams in comparison in round 10. Catawba is selected because Fayetteville State is still under consideration for finishing 4th in the Atlantic and they beat them twice at two separate meets producing 1.5 pts per win. Ashland is 4-1 in common opponents in that round but it is not enough due to Catawba being awarded direct wins over a team that is under consideration.

Had Ashland beaten Tiffin at regionals. Their common opponents record would be greater and produce more net wins due to Tiffin's direct wins throughout the season. They would now be 2-0 against Tiffin instead of 1-1. It may or may not have been enough.

Because Tiffin beat them at regionals. Ashland enters into consideration later in the rounds and the teams they are being compared to are different.

But similar to Ft. Lewis beating MSUD at RMAC and losing to them at regionals. Do the wins cancel out? Ashland beat Tiffin at GMAC but lost to Tiffin at regionals. I asked that earlier in the thread but no one answered.

Ashland beat Davis and Elkins at lock haven they got 3rd in their region tho does this not get factored in?

They do not cancel out. They have the same wins now and 0 losses to the teams be compared against. That is why both of these teams have to be in front of Tiffin.

Ashland will get 1 win in beating Fayetteville State in Round 10 due to Fayetteville State losing to Davis & Elkins at the regional.

Other than that, it does not carry any other weight.

They have wins over

Palm Beach Atlantic (via regional finish)
San Marcos (via regional finish)
St. Michael's (via GMAC finish)

Losses against

MSUD (via Walsh via Ft Lewis)

They tied with Augustana and Catawba.

Is there any way Ashland gets in via this info

I looked back again and it looks like they do cancel out.

"If there are both wins and losses in the common competitor chain, for either first
or second degree opponents in common, this will not be counted for or against a
team."

This is for two teams from separate regions, not the same region,. In the chain MSU-D and Fort Lewis are equals and because it for the 8th and 9th teams in and just move in as a group together with Huntsville. The it opens for Tiffin to be the 10th and last team in because you can not use point gap ratio when looking at a 4th and 5th place teams for the spot.

No.

Got it, That makes sense.

Glad I could help! It is an annoyingly confusing system at time. That is why we track it all in a spreadsheet and then wait till region order of finish because that is what sets it all in motion then.

Can someone calculate the individual women’s qualifiers assuming the collegexc.com projections are correct

Can someone do it for the men also

You’d think the Stride Report would take on stuff like this but they really are awful. Horrible writing and their predictions are so bad. Get better. Take on info that people actually care about. They charge everyone, wish they would do something productive instead of have a general blah approach/hater/negative approach to their writing. They do seem to pick one program at a time to glaze though and then decide everyone else isn’t any good.