This. The average American earns $40K per year. The average IQ is 100. The average "runner" in my local 5K shuffles across the line in 30 minutes. And, yes, a guy of average attractiveness is ugly.
Average sucks. Don't be average.
It has broad societal implications if "average is over" in the dating world. For example, if only the top 50% of guys are able to find a mate, you'd need people who pair off to have 4.2 kids just to sustain the population.
We don’t need to sustain the population, leveling off the world population is a good thing in this age of consumerism. Also, as you can see, they are going to be less jobs as technology advances.
So imagine you're an average guy and you swipe right on 20% of women. If women swipe right on 1% of average men, that means it takes 500 swipes just to come across a profile that is possible to be a match. But the woman on the other end never needs to look through 500 profiles (Women get so many matches that they can fill up their date schedule without spending much time swiping). There's almost zero possibility of an average guy getting a date in today's world.
Your stats are based on random swiping, which isn't what is happenning. People have profiles you know.
52 here. Virgin male. Never had a date. Just always been antisocial and not great looking. Just find other hobbies,and masturbate to/with the plethora of porn, AI, sex dolls, etc. that is readily available. I just smile quietly listening to other guys gripe about their nagging wife who's gained 60 lbs since they got married, or complaining about their whiny kids. I know I will be playing disc golf the rest of the day or getting off with a hot porn real doll, that is always smoking hot and doesn't nag me or gain weight.
52 here. Virgin male. Never had a date. Just always been antisocial and not great looking. Just find other hobbies,and masturbate to/with the plethora of porn, AI, sex dolls, etc. that is readily available. I just smile quietly listening to other guys gripe about their nagging wife who's gained 60 lbs since they got married, or complaining about their whiny kids. I know I will be playing disc golf the rest of the day or getting off with a hot porn real doll, that is always smoking hot and doesn't nag me or gain weight.
And I know you're trolling and I appear to have taken the bait...but that's sometimes how the best conversations here happen.
Nobody cares about your sex life, nor should they. It should be private. If you want esteem because you have a high partner count or a pristinely low one, you are seriously confused about why sex is a good thing and why it is good for you. The times where is isn't an option help you understand who you are, because you always get to make choices. Again, those choices should remain private.
You have a really dim fake view of marriage. Both partners change in that union, sometimes for the better, often for the worse. On a fundamental real level, it teaches you a lot about compromise.
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I didn't read through every page but I do think dating apps skew things far beyond what is organic to a normal life. It's normal to compete against guys in your school, or workplace for the attention of women.
It's not normal to compete against the entire state or country.
While there is a plus side for some, I suspect the negative outweighs the positives.
just say yes to everyone then take your pick of the matches.
That's what guys somewhat do. And because they are very loose with the right swipes, women who are average match with nearly all men, so they get stingy with their right swipes. So the matches end up being all the women have a low number of matches with the small top group of men. And then those guys ghost women or play them and then they complain. If they actually matched with a guy on their level the outcomes would be better. In college a decently attractive girl, but nothing crazy, showed a group of guys what it's like on her tinder and she swiped right ten times in a row and they were all matches. An slightly above average guy would have a way lower rate.
I met my wife in real life, she's a year older than me and I wouldn't have even shown up in her filters because like many women they filter on their age and up.
If anyone knows anything about Todd V, please chime in.
It is a fact that people like you who obsess over these YouTube dating videos are incels.
Oh really?...so it's a fact that every guy who's struggling with dating or wants to do better & finds a successful online dating coach is an incel?
One aspect of Todd V that drew my interest is the fact that he's only 5'7" tall. As a 5'5.5" man, I've struggled big time with dating attractive, fit women.
Some of the women that I've dated over the years have been unattractive, overweight non-runner types (it's really awkward taking a woman out for dinner when she outweighs you by over 100 lbs! 😖).
But I strike out trying to date women runners or just fit, athletic type women. They're either married, involved in cohabiting LTRs or simply reject me.
So, with Todd V being a short guy who's been extremely successful with dating attractive women, his channel sounds interesting.
If you still want to call me an incel & make fun of me, go ahead if that makes you feel better. 🙄
So imagine you're an average guy and you swipe right on 20% of women. If women swipe right on 1% of average men, that means it takes 500 swipes just to come across a profile that is possible to be a match. But the woman on the other end never needs to look through 500 profiles (Women get so many matches that they can fill up their date schedule without spending much time swiping). There's almost zero possibility of an average guy getting a date in today's world.
Advice to incel ectomorphs who inhabit these boards… running is the best sport and well worth pursuing to see if you can make your dreams become a reality. However, for most of you, you’ll realize that isn’t going to happen by age 22 or by 25 at the latest. That is the time to pivot.
Get off social media and porn sites, and start working on you. Pursue a graduate degree that will lend itself to a very good career. Start lifting and building your body to sculpt a strong, fit physique. Not a bulky physique as that is a turnoff but definitely trade the skinny fat in for some defined muscles in the chest, shoulders, arms, and torso. Don’t forget leg day.
If you do all that and you are a 5-6+ in attractiveness, you can date just about any woman you want. You don’t have to be wealthy or 6’4”. But you need to be signaling that you have the ability to acquire resources and are a protector. You don’t want a 10 anyway, at least not long term. They come with too much baggage and stress. You want to find a 7 or 8 for a life partner.
But instead of feeling sorry for yourselves and wanking it to an AI enhanced female, get out there and start improving yourself. Career, body, mentality geared toward autonomy and strength. If you build it, they will come (literally and figuratively).
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So imagine you're an average guy and you swipe right on 20% of women. If women swipe right on 1% of average men, that means it takes 500 swipes just to come across a profile that is possible to be a match. But the woman on the other end never needs to look through 500 profiles (Women get so many matches that they can fill up their date schedule without spending much time swiping). There's almost zero possibility of an average guy getting a date in today's world.
Advice to incel ectomorphs who inhabit these boards… running is the best sport and well worth pursuing to see if you can make your dreams become a reality. However, for most of you, you’ll realize that isn’t going to happen by age 22 or by 25 at the latest. That is the time to pivot.
Get off social media and porn sites, and start working on you. Pursue a graduate degree that will lend itself to a very good career. Start lifting and building your body to sculpt a strong, fit physique. Not a bulky physique as that is a turnoff but definitely trade the skinny fat in for some defined muscles in the chest, shoulders, arms, and torso. Don’t forget leg day.
If you do all that and you are a 5-6+ in attractiveness, you can date just about any woman you want. You don’t have to be wealthy or 6’4”. But you need to be signaling that you have the ability to acquire resources and are a protector. You don’t want a 10 anyway, at least not long term. They come with too much baggage and stress. You want to find a 7 or 8 for a life partner.
But instead of feeling sorry for yourselves and wanking it to an AI enhanced female, get out there and start improving yourself. Career, body, mentality geared toward autonomy and strength. If you build it, they will come (literally and figuratively).
Multiple downvotes 😂🤦♂️. I quite literally speak from experience.
Women like a good, strong physique and someone with the potential to be a protector/provider. It’s in their innate biology.
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So imagine you're an average guy and you swipe right on 20% of women. If women swipe right on 1% of average men, that means it takes 500 swipes just to come across a profile that is possible to be a match. But the woman on the other end never needs to look through 500 profiles (Women get so many matches that they can fill up their date schedule without spending much time swiping). There's almost zero possibility of an average guy getting a date in today's world.
Advice to incel ectomorphs who inhabit these boards… running is the best sport and well worth pursuing to see if you can make your dreams become a reality. However, for most of you, you’ll realize that isn’t going to happen by age 22 or by 25 at the latest. That is the time to pivot.
Get off social media and porn sites, and start working on you. Pursue a graduate degree that will lend itself to a very good career. Start lifting and building your body to sculpt a strong, fit physique. Not a bulky physique as that is a turnoff but definitely trade the skinny fat in for some defined muscles in the chest, shoulders, arms, and torso. Don’t forget leg day.
If you do all that and you are a 5-6+ in attractiveness, you can date just about any woman you want. You don’t have to be wealthy or 6’4”. But you need to be signaling that you have the ability to acquire resources and are a protector. You don’t want a 10 anyway, at least not long term. They come with too much baggage and stress. You want to find a 7 or 8 for a life partner.
But instead of feeling sorry for yourselves and wanking it to an AI enhanced female, get out there and start improving yourself. Career, body, mentality geared toward autonomy and strength. If you build it, they will come (literally and figuratively).
This is good advice.
Go to college (+ grad school). Find a social circle that socializes often OFFLINE.
Best way to meet attractive women. Online dating is designed to keep you on the app.
Even a run club is miles better than a dating app. Just don’t lecture them about leg speed velocity for more than a few minutes.
It is a fact that people like you who obsess over these YouTube dating videos are incels.
Oh really?...so it's a fact that every guy who's struggling with dating or wants to do better & finds a successful online dating coach is an incel?
One aspect of Todd V that drew my interest is the fact that he's only 5'7" tall. As a 5'5.5" man, I've struggled big time with dating attractive, fit women.
Some of the women that I've dated over the years have been unattractive, overweight non-runner types (it's really awkward taking a woman out for dinner when she outweighs you by over 100 lbs! 😖).
But I strike out trying to date women runners or just fit, athletic type women. They're either married, involved in cohabiting LTRs or simply reject me.
So, with Todd V being a short guy who's been extremely successful with dating attractive women, his channel sounds interesting.
If you still want to call me an incel & make fun of me, go ahead if that makes you feel better. 🙄
Idolizing a guy who brags about sleeping with hundreds of women shows you aren’t serious about a long term relationship.
Trying a get with lots of women requires basically an orthogonal set of values and behaviors to trying to find a long term partner.
Not gonna judge - if that’s what you want - but don’t confuse the two.
If anyone knows anything about Todd V, please chime in.
Born into a modest log cabin home located in the small town of Hodgenville. KY, in 1847, Todd V grew up dirt poor and seriously deprived of sex. As a small child, he was prone to fevers. During one near-fatal episode just after he had reached sexual maturity, the town doctor, who was there on a housecall, and a local priest, who was there to read him his last rites, overhead him say, "I don't like to work and someday I will get more #$! than a toilet seat! There has to be a way to make money off of this!!!"
Thw doctor and priest gave each other a confused look. "What's a toilet seat?" the doctor said. Then he told the priest, "I think it is time. He is already very near to God.. " As the priest opened his Bible and prepared to assist young Todd V in entering the Kingdom of Heaven, something quite unexpected happened. It started with young Todd V losing consciousness...
...when he came to, Todd V was a twentysomething man in the modern era. He looked around and realized he was in a high-end studio apartment. He looked down and realized that he had abs. He checked his ID, and saw that next to the picture of his handsome face, it simply said one word: "Chad."
After several hours of trial and error, Todd was finally able to get his MacBook Pro online. One of the first sites he visited was these very forums. He realized that he would never accomplish his goal of sleeping with 300k women if he spent too much time here. Still, he did learn a valuable lesson: if you wanted to make money off of the sex you have without catering directly to pervy men, the market was totally there!
Todd V got to work. He had so much sex that he stopped enjoying it. He had sex with women who already had partners, women who used sex to solve problems in their lives to the point where it was a problem, and too many women who he couldn't describe, because his focus was on the number, not them.
One time, in a perfect moment of post-&*% clarity, Todd V had a disturbing thought. "What if all this is wrong?" It was followed by an even more disturbing thought, "What if instead of treating women as a means to an end, I decided to nurture them and help them grow? Sex, of course, could be a part of that, but it probably shouldn't be the main focus..." He quickly dismissed the thought and put on a "No Fear" t-shirt. In his experience, the odds of getting sex from a woman went up astronomically if you made them think you weren't afraid.
As the year approached 2025, Todd V threw away his 43rd condom and bagged his 300,000th conquest. "Perfect." he said out loud as he reached for cab fare and imagined something like a Golden Arches for his goal rolling over to its target in his mind. "Time for phase 2!"
That brings us to the present day. Very little is actually known about Todd V, but he did find a way to make a living off his conquests. He's a kind of Solomon to a very misguided set. But he knows the game and how it's played. He's probably taking off that "No Fear" t-shirt and replacing it with one that says "Don't Hate the Player, Hate the Game!" right now...
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