"Three weeks ago, Kerr ran his fastest 200m rep ever in a workout — 22.4 at the end of a speed session Mackey used to use with Nick Symmonds (150-300-150-200-150-200). Mackey was pleased, because with how fast the top guys have been closing this year, he knows Kerr will need a good top gear in Tokyo."
Wow!
How was the start? From the blocks or flying?
yep, this is vital for context. Likely around 0.7 difference.
Could be as fast as a rolling 21.7, could be as "slow" as a standing 23.1. Regardless, I think people are seriously underestimating him - I think he's getting silver at worst.
"Three weeks ago, Kerr ran his fastest 200m rep ever in a workout — 22.4 at the end of a speed session Mackey used to use with Nick Symmonds (150-300-150-200-150-200). Mackey was pleased, because with how fast the top guys have been closing this year, he knows Kerr will need a good top gear in Tokyo."
Wow!
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"Three weeks ago, Kerr ran his fastest 200m rep ever in a workout — 22.4 at the end of a speed session Mackey used to use with Nick Symmonds (150-300-150-200-150-200). Mackey was pleased, because with how fast the top guys have been closing this year, he knows Kerr will need a good top gear in Tokyo."
Wow!
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For Context here is a similar workout from Nick Symmonds 2012 training log. (This is when Symmonds was with OTC and not Brooks so the workout is different)
"Monday, May 28, 2012 7 miles 3mile warmup. 150m in 16.5, rest 4 minutes. 200m in 22.6, rest 5 minutes. 150m in 16.5, rest 6 minutes. 300m in 36.1, rest 7 minutes. 150m in 16.5. 3mile cooldown. Straight over to the pool for a 25minute swim.
This is a true sprint workout for me. Lots of rest, but running really fast intervals. I crossed the line after the 200m and saw 22.6 on my watch, and I didn’t believing what I was seeing. I had to confirm with Coach Rowland that he had me that fast as well. This was a holiday and the pool was closing early, so I was forced to go straight to the pool for my swim rather than giving my body a couple hours to recover first. I was EXHAUSTED the rest of the day"
"Three weeks ago, Kerr ran his fastest 200m rep ever in a workout — 22.4 at the end of a speed session Mackey used to use with Nick Symmonds (150-300-150-200-150-200). Mackey was pleased, because with how fast the top guys have been closing this year, he knows Kerr will need a good top gear in Tokyo."
Wow!
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my first year i ran 11.0 jog start 100m and 24.0 200m jog start at age 16. and i got beat in a nowhere regional 800.
john walker did 22 mid from the blocks in HS, with random training, Snell 21 high from blocks , coe and ovett 21 mid.
so what gives when 327 guys hit , is it a running start 22 mid 200m, if thats what it was?
these guys basic 400 m make sense however, i am shocked about the basic speed.
Can you send links for these results. Find it very hard to believe Walker ran 22 and Snell 21 from block ever, let alone in High School. You’re basically saying that Snell held the HS record for 200 back in the day (when he was more of a rugby and tennis player) Current record is only 20.8 some 60+ years later.
I’m pretty confident Kerr’s 22.4 was from a rolling start and I think that’s very good speed for his profile type.
Are there any 800 or 1500 runners who could beat the women's 200m world record? I doubt it.
But there are certainly quite a few who can beat the women's 400m world record. And quite a few who can't, too. It would be interesting to make a chicked list.
Cruz, Juantorena, Manny Korir, Kipketer, Amos, there's been a few. They're the 400m type
my first year i ran 11.0 jog start 100m and 24.0 200m jog start at age 16. and i got beat in a nowhere regional 800.
john walker did 22 mid from the blocks in HS, with random training, Snell 21 high from blocks , coe and ovett 21 mid.
so what gives when 327 guys hit , is it a running start 22 mid 200m, if thats what it was?
these guys basic 400 m make sense however, i am shocked about the basic speed.
Can you send links for these results. Find it very hard to believe Walker ran 22 and Snell 21 from block ever, let alone in High School. You’re basically saying that Snell held the HS record for 200 back in the day (when he was more of a rugby and tennis player) Current record is only 20.8 some 60+ years later.
I’m pretty confident Kerr’s 22.4 was from a rolling start and I think that’s very good speed for his profile type.
Walker did a couple of 200m reps in a session with American hurdler, Jim Bolding before breaking the world mile record. The author said, 23.0 and 22.9, "Walker's best [ever] is 22.7." Lydiard said Snell was a "22.3 man. George Kerr could run 21 seconds."
with the roids ped package the gals are on, easily exceeded.
it is a farce.
It's not so simple, these guys aren't sprinters. 21 low 200 isn't easy, it's knocking on the door of elite short sprinter level.
Remember a few years ago when Nick Symmonds went on his quest for a sub 12 FAT 100? And eventually succeeded, just barely. He may have been retired, but wasn't very old yet and trained for it seriously.
He wouldn't have gone on that quest if he had ever been in much better shape than that. It's 23 or 24 200m shape. So I don't know that Symmonds could ever have run even a 22s 200m out of blocks, let alone a 21. You have to run sub 11 100m to be capable of 21 low.
I agree that low 21 from the blocks is VERY difficult for MD distance runner.
I think the top milers, including a Jakob in best shape, can run at least 11 flat and 22 flat with FLYING START.
my first year i ran 11.0 jog start 100m and 24.0 200m jog start at age 16. and i got beat in a nowhere regional 800.
john walker did 22 mid from the blocks in HS, with random training, Snell 21 high from blocks , coe and ovett 21 mid.
so what gives when 327 guys hit , is it a running start 22 mid 200m, if thats what it was?
these guys basic 400 m make sense however, i am shocked about the basic speed.
Can you send links for these results. Find it very hard to believe Walker ran 22 and Snell 21 from block ever, let alone in High School. You’re basically saying that Snell held the HS record for 200 back in the day (when he was more of a rugby and tennis player) Current record is only 20.8 some 60+ years later.
I’m pretty confident Kerr’s 22.4 was from a rolling start and I think that’s very good speed for his profile type.
Walker's best 200 was 22.7 from a standing start. Snell ran 22.3.
