Mohamed Attaoui 2:12.25 for 1000m in Trier, #3 all-time

Even an indoor team/medal would be awesome and well deserved

Remember that Coe wanted no more 5000s or 10000s and proposed to replace them with 3000s. There were plenty of high level 3000s over the past ten-fifteen years. The last 3k's in the following major meetings are these years, most sub-7:35 or even 7:30, for Silesia (2024), Rieti (2014), Brussels (2018), Paris (2023), Eugene (2023), Monaco (2022), Stockholm (2022), Oslo (2021), Rome (2020), London (2024), Lausanne (2021).

That's the article I didn't want to bring here and Attaoui is quite naive here.

Sub 2.10 to me on the surface feels like sub 100 in the 800.

Those splits you gave would seem like the most plausible path/construction for it, but holding on for a sub 26.5 final 200 off a mid 1.43 performance just seems impossible. I agree that you would need to be a 1.41 runner minimum. I don't see how even a guy like Hoey at 1.42.0 with sub 3.30 strength could go through only 1.5 seconds off his PR and then drop a world class finish in 26.5.

One pattern we see are the 1500m guys in prominence at the top of the list. Ngeny and Coe need no introduction - Ngeny under todays condition is a 3.27 low, 3.26 high performer, Coe well under 3.28 too. And if you forget about this race the other day, the next two guys were Cram and Mahkloufi - both 1500m runners (WC/OCs) who also had great 800m speed. Attaoui is still very good over 1500m and largely untapped with his 3.32 PR, Festus Lagat is a better 1500m runner than 800m runner at 3.29.03 vs 1.44.10.

Long story short, I think you'd have to be 3.27.0 runner (with also good 3000m capability) that can also run 1.41.5. And I just think that combination of runner is becoming more and more difficult (borderline impossible) to find. The 800m guys are in general more specialist two lappers, the 1500m runners are getting down under 3.30 en masse and even these guys now under 3.28, because of improved threshold thanks to 3000m/5000m ability and not the anaerobic capacity and power of the 800 runner. Even then that 1.41.5/3.27.0 guy would need the right combination of threshold level + anaerobic capacity + power to do it and that's up to genetics.

I said this earlier, I just can't understand the relative comparisons of the 800-1000-1500 records. If the 1000m was to have parity with the 8 and 15 it should be right at 2.09.2/2.10.0. Sometimes math and theory doesn't always map onto reality.

FTR I think this current WR could and should be broken. I think it could be in the low 2.11's and maybe in the high 2.10's if someone caught a good day with the right race unfolding.

The three seconds reference was in the context of the 600m and a 69x from 1:12.88 or such is about that amount. For the 1000 aub 2:10 you are right, its just below 2

Agreed, although I am not sure if that 3/5k ability is as important as the 1500 and perhaps more races over 1200, say least sub 2:40 which would be another interesting barrier. It would require 53, 1:46, 2:39 which seems possible but equally unreal. Clearly many current 1500m sub 3:30 guys who can't do sub 1:46 relatively comfortably are out, as are 400/800 specialists or pure 800 ones. Not even having the best kick guarantees anythiing record wise in these odd distances. It's quite amazing how the odds and WB contenders change when adding or subtracting another 100-200.

So, according to you, having a teammate with a doping bust doesn't make you more suspect, but having teammates who have no doping busts does make you less suspect?

Good to read. George Mills is probably keeping him on the straight and narrow too.

How’d you get that impression? Who is Noah Ngeny’s teammate with a doping ban?

Are you going Elijah Manangoi and Tim I guess? Of course you’re ignoring Tim has a clean record in a country that tests in the top 3 most globally. Slightly different than Spain, who allegedly skirts testing and statistically is not close in testing. Unless you have evidence that Tim is a chronic test-skipper, it’s a strained comparison.
As you’re wont to note and I don’t dispute, plenty of El Guerrouj’s former training partners got popped, the country was alleged to sponsor doping, and his coach has been accused (then retracted) of doping Hamza Driouch.

Anyhow it’s detailing the thread, Attaoui doesn’t deserve your prejudice from what I can tell. Least not for one random workout at a national camp with Katir.

I’ll ask the same thing I asked Katir:

when was the last time that you had an unannounced out of competition drug test?
Progression is super suspect here. Going from 1:44 mid to 1:42 flat doesn’t add up.

Well he’s on the AIU RTP, so they would know.

Do you find Lutkenhaus to be suspect? I understand he is a minor but do you question his progression? Or is it simply a matter of talent and training?

If you look at the records above and below it, 2:12 looks pretty reasonably placed.

400 43 43 pace
600 72.8 48.6 pace
800 101 50.5 pace
1000 132 52.8 pace
1500 206 54.9 pace
2000 283 56.6 pace

3000 437 58.2 pace

It's actually perfectly between 800 and 1500 WR pace, and while you might argue that means that it should be 1150m pace, there's a more rapid slowing with the shorter distances.

400 to 800m pace falls by 7.5 seconds.

800m to 1500m pace falls by 4.4 seconds.

1500 to 3000m pace falls by just 3.3 seconds.

It's not a super weak world record, maybe it'll be broken by a bit but I don't see anyone going sub 2:10 anytime soon. The 600m looks more doable.