Wrong in so many ways. It’s the first time in this Achilles and it’s the first time he’s missed the season.
You want him to take a year off in his prime????
Achilles do heal. His other one did.
They do heal, but according to Google AI, 24% of achilles injuries are career ending for pro athletes, but many big time names have come back from ruptures. No runners listed below but we know Hocker came back, just don't know if it was as severe as with JI. We do know that all Ingebrigtsen brothers have lost a lot of time to injury over the years.
Comebacks:
Kobe Bryant (NBA) Dan Marino (NFL) Kevin Durant (NBA) David Beckham (Soccer) Dominique Wilkins (NBA) Terrell Suggs (NFL) Aaron Rodgers (NFL) DeMarcus Cousins (NBA) Chauncey Billups (NBA) Richard Sherman (NFL) Rudy Gay (NBA) Tyrese Haliburton (NBA)
Brad Pitt - ruptured achilles while playing Achilles in Troy. Went on to win two Oscars Russell Crowe and Judy Dench - injured achilles during filming, went on to win Oscars Al Gore - ruptured achilles while VP, went on to win Nobel Peace prize Isiah Thomas - career ending rupture? No, he claims it was wrist injury that did it.
LOL tis is a running sport pls compare apples and apples and oranges to oranges. Achilles injuries in running is different because in running you do the same motion over and over again since there is only 1 motion. In basketball you have jerking, sliding, skipping, hopping, sprinting, jumping, shooting, guarding it’s 10 motions and much more diversity.
You clearly have no idea about running physics. For running pros, 100% of Achilles do not heal back to original state. What people say is all marketing ploys to sell their physio services. Cole Hocker healed but why Jakob not healed? If you can’t see why he’s clear the speck in your eyes. Hocker was doping Jakob wasn’t. Only drugs can cover over the scar tissue of Achilles injuries and supplement it with extra energy in other tissues and muscles. Hocker gave himself more RBC if he used EPO to buffer a weaker Achilles tendon.
Cole Hocker was out 2023 with an Achilles injury and he came back very strong in 2024 and this year and he has added more cross training so it is definitely possible with todays medical advances to come back strong from that sort of injury!
When Jakob was asked about Hockers cross training while healthy he dismissed it. He seems somewhat stubborn on only running when “healthy.” Meanwhile Hocker has put together a lot of months of health, so maybe he should reconsider his position. Also there’s a question if too much running in plated shoes might be causing him issues.
Cole Hocker was out 2023 with an Achilles injury and he came back very strong in 2024 and this year and he has added more cross training so it is definitely possible with todays medical advances to come back strong from that sort of injury!
I don’t trust the American side of running save Cooper Lutkenhaus who will remain untouched by drugs until at least 21-22.
Cole Hocker was passed 21-22 when he injured both Achilles so he can’t be trusted not to use illegal drugs to heal or buffer the weakness in his Achilles. It may appear like he did fully recover due to medical tech advances but these cannot override the directed energy weappon attacks on the body. The attacks always win, there is no credible defence by the human body against nervous system weapons. Medical tech advances only able to meet these weapons at halfway mark in a kinda civil co-existence. Hocker never healed completely from any injury, that’s how I know because I simply have more knowledge than everyone else. I know the source of all things and from there I iterate the truth. Hocker success is just relative and he may even have used drugs to buffer his Achilles weakness. In fact his performance trajectory this last year seems to suggest he did used them selectively for the biggest stages. He did not heal completely.
What does everyone make of the steeple comment? He wouldn’t be able to get in for worlds without a mark correct?
I don't think he was implying he was going to do the steeple at worlds. In fact he added that it can be rougher on your tendons. I think he brought it up as an example of his past history of tying different events. He's suggesting that with his recent injury, he might use it as an opportunity to try something new (track 10000?).
Jakob said he might have to do something different this year and reminded everyone that he ran the steeple at his first WC. He conceded that it puts more stress on the tendons than other events but said he and his team are looking at all their options.
I don’t understand how people are concluding from this that he has no intention of running the steeple. If all he meant was that he may not run the 1500 or will do a different event like the 10k, why wouldn’t he have just said that?
This is the biggest problem with Jakob. He has such an enormous aerobic base but his body just cannot handle the load. This may be the end of him racing a ton. I predict he retires by end of next year. He needs aHe needs full year of rest for his achilles to figure out what is happening but usually these injuries never er heal.heal.
I don't mind reading people's opinions and or criticism, just as long as they make sense and are substantiated with facts.
Your post is so BAD! Let's break it down, and maybe you'll learn something so as you don't make future lame posts.
1) "This is the biggest problem with Jakob. He has such an enormous aerobic base but his body just cannot handle the load. What does this mean? What "Load" are you referring to? Having a large aerobic base is achieved with quality mileage volume over a substantial period of time, which in turn allows for you to withstand various "loads". Jakob has performed at a high level for a few years now, and has been injury free for the most part. I'd say he's probably one of the most consistent elite distance runners in the world, if not the most.
2) "This may be the end of him racing a ton". Again, what do you mean? The whole purpose of training at a high level is so you can RACE at a level, with racing being the priority. Clearly his race volume has successfully prepared him to be an Olympic champion, World champion, and multiple world record holder. Racing is why you train!
3) "I predict he retires by end of next year". I'm not even going to comment on this, it's completely idiotic.
4) "He needs full year of rest for his achilles to figure out what is happening but usually these injuries never er heal". Again, WTF are you saying? If he's going to retire, why does he need to take a year off? What does he need to figure out? He has one of the MOST COMMON injuries elite runners go through. It happens, and will continue to happen as long as he trains and competes at a high level. If "these injuries" usually never heal, there would be very little or no runners training and competing. Can he adjust his training to lessen the risk of injury? Less track work?, different training shoes/spikes, etc... absolutely! But nothing to the extent of overhauling the core of his training and racing plan. Injuries and setbacks are part of being an elite runner, its how you manage them is the key to longevity.
Jakob's video is SPOT ON, and shows just how honest and forthcoming he is. Accept the set back, deal with it, learn from it, stay positive (always tough), and move on.
When Jakob was asked about Hockers cross training while healthy he dismissed it. He seems somewhat stubborn on only running when “healthy.” Meanwhile Hocker has put together a lot of months of health, so maybe he should reconsider his position. Also there’s a question if too much running in plated shoes might be causing him issues.
My recollection is that he dismissed the idea that Hocker was a great runner because of the biking. He is a great runner because of the run training he does, was Jakobs point.
4) "He needs full year of rest for his achilles to figure out what is happening but usually these injuries never er heal". Again, WTF are you saying? If he's going to retire, why does he need to take a year off? What does he need to figure out? He has one of the MOST COMMON injuries elite runners go through. It happens, and will continue to happen as long as he trains and competes at a high level. If "these injuries" usually never heal, there would be very little or no runners training and competing. Can he adjust his training to lessen the risk of injury? Less track work?, different training shoes/spikes, etc... absolutely! But nothing to the extent of overhauling the core of his training and racing plan. Injuries and setbacks are part of being an elite runner, its how you manage them is the key to longevity.
Jakob's video is SPOT ON, and shows just how honest and forthcoming he is. Accept the set back, deal with it, learn from it, stay positive (always tough), and move on.
Yes, full rest is almost never the right approach for what i'm assuming is achilles tendinopathy (rupture is another story). Gold standard treatment is generally some form of eccentric loading heel drops, 3x15 twice a day for 12 wks, as in the Alfredson Protocol, defined in late 1990s. Adjunctive therapies are shockwave and platelet rich therapy. AP is counterintuitive, you *should* feel mild to medium pain, which is an indication of the stimulus required for tissue regrowth/remodeling.
I did AP protocol twice a day for 8 weeks then a few times a week for maintenance. At some point, maybe 7-8 wks, there was no pain, even loading up with heavy dumbells. Pain here has a nuanced goldilocks measurement - some is good, but during AP, high grade or sharp pain is bad. When first restarting running, physio said a bit of post run soreness is ok, but too much is also bad and we know some runners push thru too much pain. I eventually got back to my usual ~60-65mpw and ran xc races with spikes, though i did often ice up after races and workouts for months afterwards. I didn't get shockwave or PRP.
The mileage and intensity of JI is well beyond hobby joggers, so his treatment/response schedule will differ, but he's still pretty young and hopefully heals up enough to race. Still, it may be an issue that dogs him for years (i still get the odd niggle and left ach feels thicker then right), but given how young he started big mileage and how much he's raced he's been a lot more durable then say, Jake Wightman.
LOL tis is a running sport pls compare apples and apples and oranges to oranges. Achilles injuries in running is different because in running you do the same motion over and over again since there is only 1 motion. In basketball you have jerking, sliding, skipping, hopping, sprinting, jumping, shooting, guarding it’s 10 motions and much more diversity.
You clearly have no idea about running physics. For running pros, 100% of Achilles do not heal back to original state.
I don't think he was implying he was going to do the steeple at worlds. In fact he added that it can be rougher on your tendons. I think he brought it up as an example of his past history of tying different events. He's suggesting that with his recent injury, he might use it as an opportunity to try something new (track 10000?).
Jakob said he might have to do something different this year and reminded everyone that he ran the steeple at his first WC. He conceded that it puts more stress on the tendons than other events but said he and his team are looking at all their options.
I don’t understand how people are concluding from this that he has no intention of running the steeple. If all he meant was that he may not run the 1500 or will do a different event like the 10k, why wouldn’t he have just said that?
For the same reason he didn't say "I'm going to get the standard in steeplechase by Aug 24th and run the steeplechase in Tokyo".
He said, worst case scenario, he'll have to change things, and brought up him running the steeple in 2017 as "something different", because in 2019, 2022 and 2023, he ran the 1500/5000 double.
Common sense dictates that by him saying worst case scenario, he'll change things up, is that he won't do his usual double. That doesn't mean he's all of a sudden become a steeplechaser.
My recollection is that he dismissed the idea that Hocker was a great runner because of the biking. He is a great runner because of the run training he does, was Jakobs point.
I’ll have to revisit, but it sounded more like a dismissal of X-training when healthy aiding a runner. Which btw isn’t a radical position. Most athletes don’t build it in like Hocker, but it seems to work for many athletes.
My recollection is that he dismissed the idea that Hocker was a great runner because of the biking. He is a great runner because of the run training he does, was Jakobs point.
I’ll have to revisit, but it sounded more like a dismissal of X-training when healthy aiding a runner. Which btw isn’t a radical position. Most athletes don’t build it in like Hocker, but it seems to work for many athletes.
To clear it up, he said "I don't think that's the reason why it works" in reference to Hocker's success in combination with cross training, acknowledging that you have to run a lot to be good at running. Hocker riding a bike does not make him good at running, which is essentially how the question was framed to Jakob.
It has other benefits, which you've alluded to regarding injury prevention and longevity on the track across a season. But it is not like it has helped Hocker win 1500m/mile races over the last 12 months.
He says he had a setback with his achilles but he never really said when. He said the last 8 weeks have been good but not sure if that is when the setback happened. He also said he got an illness around the time of his irritation as well.
He also alludes to the steeple but he doesn't have the standard. I think he is just going to run the 5000m and then close his season until indoors.
I go with common sense. all the hoo haa just for so much armchair critiquing. he's just not ready that's all. trying to force the issue with doublespeak is just stupid.
Cole Hocker was out 2023 with an Achilles injury and he came back very strong in 2024 and this year and he has added more cross training so it is definitely possible with todays medical advances to come back strong from that sort of injury!
When Jakob was asked about Hockers cross training while healthy he dismissed it. He seems somewhat stubborn on only running when “healthy.” Meanwhile Hocker has put together a lot of months of health, so maybe he should reconsider his position. Also there’s a question if too much running in plated shoes might be causing him issues.
you can't run as well cross training in mid season racing. it's a run specific sport I do remind you again. other way is he should call off the season completely. 1500m gold is not well worth the injury and stress over it. if some weapons expert believe it's weapons doing it to jakgoat then there is no way out of that scheme. once ordained into it always ordained till death.
Dun joke on such matters. Your star athlete Jakob is looking like a charred potato from DEWs and here you are being off handed? Watch for your how electromagnetically smooth El G articulate and transitioned his words with his gesticulation. That’s the smoothness needed to run the 1500m WR and why it’s never able to be broken.
ElG simply a legend, talks with oh-so-smootherly confidence and inner qi core strength. He talks like his mind is connected to body and that passion in his eyes is just unstoppable. He is blessed but this video was 10 years ago. Jakob looks pierced by some electrical external current around him with no impersonation. He isn't faking it, he is a man in visible spoken distress. mundane interview lacking vital vigour maybe it's all the training but maybe not. he should be pouncing around the camera men and making lots of lateral movements and side quips for a 24 yr old. his eyes should show romantic flame for the 1500m but ElG retired at 45 has more flame than Jakob can muster in this interview.
it's over. time to sail home to mama. sorry Jakob. don't take it too personally.
World xc in Tallahassee would be a very good course for him to go after a win, because it is not a technical course and it has no major hills like the Aarhus race that left him staggering to finish in the top twelve of World Junior xc when he was a 3:31 guy.