Berardelli is probably the best marathon coach in the world (Dedefo up there too), but at 1500/mile less clear. Chepchirchir also great, but nothing yet from Josphat Kipkirui Sang who was promising. The best 1500m group is undoubtedly Lewandowski coaching Nillesen, Tim, and Laros.
Controlling behaviour doesn't have to be physical.
You said Gjert is an abusive personality. Do you think a coach determining an athlete's training and racing program is abuse? Are you equating determining an athlete's training and racing program with punching and kicking?
I said Gjert has been shown to have a controlling and abusive personality. That won't cease with coaching, which is his life's purpose.
Your questions about what coaches typically do falsely represents him. As he has indicated - he cannot be differed with.
You said Gjert is an abusive personality. Do you think a coach determining an athlete's training and racing program is abuse? Are you equating determining an athlete's training and racing program with punching and kicking?
I said Gjert has been shown to have a controlling and abusive personality. That won't cease with coaching, which is his life's purpose.
Your questions about what coaches typically do falsely represents him. As he has indicated - he cannot be differed with.
You're evading my questions. You said Gjert is an abusive personality. Now you're trying to lump in controlling and not being differed with.
I will repeat my questions.
You said, "His very famous son has accused him of abuse. Unless you think Jakob was lying that says quite a lot about Gjert's methods and how he relates to those he coaches." Jakob accused Gjert of punching and kicking him when he was a boy. Do you think Gjert has been punching and kicking Narve and Jose? Yes or No.
You said, "Gjert is an abusive personality." Do you think a coach determining an athlete's training and racing program is abuse? Yes or No.
Are you equating determining an athlete's training and racing program with punching and kicking? Yes or No.
Seeing their posts in Instagram and after seeing them in the race this week (yes I was in Pfungstadt) I can see that they really like Gjert and it doesn’t look like it’s only because they are running fast. I could see them laughing, making jokes and speaking with the other athletes, like literally speaking and not only taking photos with them, like the 3 brothers used to do. Maybe the addition of Pinto and Lumb changed the dynamics of the group as they are not Norwegians, the different culture probably changed the group itself.
As a German myself I could see a lot of impact from those two in the group.
if you guys go to YouTube you can find the races in the channel name : Erich Gebhardt.
I said Gjert has been shown to have a controlling and abusive personality. That won't cease with coaching, which is his life's purpose.
Your questions about what coaches typically do falsely represents him. As he has indicated - he cannot be differed with.
You're evading my questions. You said Gjert is an abusive personality. Now you're trying to lump in controlling and not being differed with.
I will repeat my questions.
You said, "His very famous son has accused him of abuse. Unless you think Jakob was lying that says quite a lot about Gjert's methods and how he relates to those he coaches." Jakob accused Gjert of punching and kicking him when he was a boy. Do you think Gjert has been punching and kicking Narve and Jose? Yes or No.
You said, "Gjert is an abusive personality." Do you think a coach determining an athlete's training and racing program is abuse? Yes or No.
Are you equating determining an athlete's training and racing program with punching and kicking? Yes or No.
More stupid questions that show you don't understand any of this. It has been demonstrated in a court that Gjert has a controlling and even abusive personality. Those he has abused include those he has coached - as Jakob has claimed. Whatever Gjert does with his other athletes doesn't change his personality just as yours doesn't change with those you talk to. We may not know specifically what Gjert does with those athletes he trains but he has shown what he is and that will be present, one way or another, in his relationships with them. It has nothing to do with coaches who have firm views about their methods, which isn't abusive per se. That is an irrelevant diversion. No one has suggested Lydiard was an abusive person. Gjert has gone far beyond showing he has strong opinions. That is why he found himself before a court of law.
Seeing their posts in Instagram and after seeing them in the race this week (yes I was in Pfungstadt) I can see that they really like Gjert and it doesn’t look like it’s only because they are running fast. I could see them laughing, making jokes and speaking with the other athletes, like literally speaking and not only taking photos with them, like the 3 brothers used to do. Maybe the addition of Pinto and Lumb changed the dynamics of the group as they are not Norwegians, the different culture probably changed the group itself.
As a German myself I could see a lot of impact from those two in the group.
if you guys go to YouTube you can find the races in the channel name : Erich Gebhardt.
I don't doubt it. I mean, the tension in Gjert's roles as father and coach in tandem were palpable. Much harder to want to exert full control over, or act aggressively toward, people who aren't your kids––whom you've had control over much of their lives.
You're evading my questions. You said Gjert is an abusive personality. Now you're trying to lump in controlling and not being differed with.
I will repeat my questions.
You said, "His very famous son has accused him of abuse. Unless you think Jakob was lying that says quite a lot about Gjert's methods and how he relates to those he coaches." Jakob accused Gjert of punching and kicking him when he was a boy. Do you think Gjert has been punching and kicking Narve and Jose? Yes or No.
You said, "Gjert is an abusive personality." Do you think a coach determining an athlete's training and racing program is abuse? Yes or No.
Are you equating determining an athlete's training and racing program with punching and kicking? Yes or No.
More stupid questions that show you don't understand any of this. It has been demonstrated in a court that Gjert has a controlling and even abusive personality. Those he has abused include those he has coached - as Jakob has claimed. Whatever Gjert does with his other athletes doesn't change his personality just as yours doesn't change with those you talk to. We may not know specifically what Gjert does with those athletes he trains but he has shown what he is and that will be present, one way or another, in his relationships with them. It has nothing to do with coaches who have firm views about their methods, which isn't abusive per se. That is an irrelevant diversion. No one has suggested Lydiard was an abusive person. Gjert has gone far beyond showing he has strong opinions. That is why he found himself before a court of law.
The questions are based on your comments. If the questions are stupid, that means your comments are stupid.
The only thing the court found Gjert guilty of doing was striking his daughter one time with a little towel. I haven't seen any allegations of him striking Narve or Jose. I've seen no allegations of Gjert abusing Narve or Jose in any way. The only thing I've seen is Gjert say he expects the runners he coaches to follow his training program. As you admit, there is nothing abusive about that.
Coaching is different than parenting. Gjert's abilities as a parent have no bearing on his performance as a coach. Coaching and parenting are two different roles requiring different sets of knowledge and skills. Someone can be bad at one role and good at the other. Gjert won't be winning any Father of the Year awards, but he is a great coach.
Seeing their posts in Instagram and after seeing them in the race this week (yes I was in Pfungstadt) I can see that they really like Gjert and it doesn’t look like it’s only because they are running fast. I could see them laughing, making jokes and speaking with the other athletes, like literally speaking and not only taking photos with them, like the 3 brothers used to do. Maybe the addition of Pinto and Lumb changed the dynamics of the group as they are not Norwegians, the different culture probably changed the group itself.
As a German myself I could see a lot of impact from those two in the group.
if you guys go to YouTube you can find the races in the channel name : Erich Gebhardt.
I don't doubt it. I mean, the tension in Gjert's roles as father and coach in tandem were palpable. Much harder to want to exert full control over, or act aggressively toward, people who aren't your kids––whom you've had control over much of their lives.
Well first of all, good username!
Yes ofc that it’s different to be a coach and a parent, but what I saw in Pfungstadt were just kids being very grateful to Gjert!
Yet, if he would be agressive or just control their life’s they would be a bit different I would say, we can see trough social media that they do what they want. This actually looks like a “normal” training group, where they care for each other and are friends.
Take for example the Spanish guys that run the Pfungstadt meet, they all are very close and they look like true friends, TagarroTeam on Instagram. I can see the same vibe on the Vikings, or maybe that’s just me, an outsider.
I spoke with Spanish athletes I said before after the race and they said that Jose was a very strong athlete and that Gjert is changing his life and he will be forever grateful to him, before training with Gjert he was smashing sessions everyday because of lack of self esteem or even just bad planning. Found his Strava account after and it was true, now he has the account private but you can still see the older sessions he used to do. (Saw for example this kid doing 2x(6x200) with 30”/3’ recovery to an average of 25.7 if I’m not wrong or for example 1000 + 800 + 600 + 200 (12 minutes recovery and 4 minutes for the 200) for 2:23 / 1:50 / 1:21 / 25 , it amazes me how he only had 1:46 and 3:37)
Probably he is a athlete that just needed a good setup and now that he got one he is going to grab it like it’s the last shot. Also from what I read on the internet, Jose is on his 4th coach? Susana Silva, Vicente Modahl, Joao Abrantes and now Gjert, I bet that if he doesn’t “like” the way Gjert is he will get another coach!
We will for sure see more of him.
maybe it’s just me thinking loud but it almost looks like this kid likes Gjert more than his kids actually liked him.
I'm not an internationally known athletics coach with a criminal conviction for abusing a family member - or any kind of conviction.
He wasn't convicted. If he had been convicted he wouldn't be coaching now. Yup, he was a super stern father. Did he beat his progeny? Probably not. Society though, has gone the other way Molly coddling kids to the extent that they live in a bubble devoid of sensible reality.
More stupid questions that show you don't understand any of this. It has been demonstrated in a court that Gjert has a controlling and even abusive personality. Those he has abused include those he has coached - as Jakob has claimed. Whatever Gjert does with his other athletes doesn't change his personality just as yours doesn't change with those you talk to. We may not know specifically what Gjert does with those athletes he trains but he has shown what he is and that will be present, one way or another, in his relationships with them. It has nothing to do with coaches who have firm views about their methods, which isn't abusive per se. That is an irrelevant diversion. No one has suggested Lydiard was an abusive person. Gjert has gone far beyond showing he has strong opinions. That is why he found himself before a court of law.
The questions are based on your comments. If the questions are stupid, that means your comments are stupid.
The only thing the court found Gjert guilty of doing was striking his daughter one time with a little towel. I haven't seen any allegations of him striking Narve or Jose. I've seen no allegations of Gjert abusing Narve or Jose in any way. The only thing I've seen is Gjert say he expects the runners he coaches to follow his training program. As you admit, there is nothing abusive about that.
Coaching is different than parenting. Gjert's abilities as a parent have no bearing on his performance as a coach. Coaching and parenting are two different roles requiring different sets of knowledge and skills. Someone can be bad at one role and good at the other. Gjert won't be winning any Father of the Year awards, but he is a great coach.
What Gjert has shown by his behaviour towards his family members, and that includes those he has coached, is that he has a controlling and abusive personality. That is why he has a criminal conviction. Striking his daughter in the face was part of a pattern of behaviour his family (that includes Jakob) claim to have experienced for years. Gjert has himself admitted he cannot be differed with and it also appears that he doesn't manage his anger. His character will not change when he relates to those he coaches - he is who he is. That isn't to say he has struck those he has coached but that his controlling personality and tendency towards abusive behaviour will still be present. He may well be an expert coach - that isn't the issue - but he has shown that it doesn't pay to incur his wrath. Putting it simply, he may be a skilled coach but he is also an ****hole. Your kids - and that includes one of the foremost Olympians of this era - wouldn't take you to court unless that was so.
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I'm not an internationally known athletics coach with a criminal conviction for abusing a family member - or any kind of conviction.
He wasn't convicted. If he had been convicted he wouldn't be coaching now. Yup, he was a super stern father. Did he beat his progeny? Probably not. Society though, has gone the other way Molly coddling kids to the extent that they live in a bubble devoid of sensible reality.
Gjert Ingebrigtsen was given a 15-day suspended sentence after being found guilty of hitting the double Olympic champion’s younger sister, Ingrid, in the face with a wet towel.