Fight for a trans category. You do not belong in the women’s category.
They don't want their own category. They want you to submit to their ideology.
Always amuses me when normal people try to come up with logical and constructive solutions for a group of people that don't even acknowledge sexual biology. Start thinking of these people as religious fundamentalists and you will understand their actions better.
PS. Can we sue the politicians who let people change their birth certificate.? Sex should be on govt documents. Gender, like religion, should never be asked about anyone in an official capacity. None of your damn business.
In the United States (and most other "civilized" countries), you need to have "legal standing" to file a lawsuit. That means you need to have suffered or will suffer practical damage under the law or policy you are contesting.
Since Schreiner was denied entry to this meet and no one lost to her in a race, there is no person who has legal standing. Athletes who lost to Schreiner in previous NCAA meets have standing, if they can prove that is the result of Schreiner's birth certificate changed.
And you cannot sue "politicians" for enacting a law or a policy that caused the damage. The defendant has to be the state government that issued the birth certificate.
“Today (February 6th 2025) the NCAA announced the Board of Governors voted to update the Association's participation policy for transgender student-athletes following the Trump administration's executive order. The new policy limits competition in women's sports to student-athletes assigned female at birth only. The policy permits student-athletes assigned male at birth to practice with women's teams and receive benefits such as medical care while practicing. This policy is effective immediately and applies to all student-athletes regardless of previous eligibility reviews under the NCAA's prior transgender participation policy.”
It’s against NCAA transgender athletes policy for her to compete. Maybe she can sue Trump?
She is ineligible under the NCAA policy, but not under the USATF policy. She was not trying to enter this meet as an NCAA athlete. She was trying to enter the meet as an unattached athlete.
This meet is an "all-comers" meet that allows athletes not eligible in NCAA to compete. For example, you see English Gardner as an entrant in 100m. She has already exhausted all her NCAA eligibility. There are other people who are either unattached or listing the names of their track clubs in their entry form. Many of those people are probably NCAA ineligible.
And the race organizers did not let Schreiner know she was ineligible when she submitted her entry.
There are literally hundreds of photos, videos, notes, and we now learn bank transactions of Trump with Epstein, about 50x more than the entire number of trans athletes in the NCAA...
“Today (February 6th 2025) the NCAA announced the Board of Governors voted to update the Association's participation policy for transgender student-athletes following the Trump administration's executive order. The new policy limits competition in women's sports to student-athletes assigned female at birth only. The policy permits student-athletes assigned male at birth to practice with women's teams and receive benefits such as medical care while practicing. This policy is effective immediately and applies to all student-athletes regardless of previous eligibility reviews under the NCAA's prior transgender participation policy.”
It’s against NCAA transgender athletes policy for her to compete. Maybe she can sue Trump?
She is ineligible under the NCAA policy, but not under the USATF policy. She was not trying to enter this meet as an NCAA athlete. She was trying to enter the meet as an unattached athlete.
This meet is an "all-comers" meet that allows athletes not eligible in NCAA to compete. For example, you see English Gardner as an entrant in 100m. She has already exhausted all her NCAA eligibility. There are other people who are either unattached or listing the names of their track clubs in their entry form. Many of those people are probably NCAA ineligible.
And the race organizers did not let Schreiner know she was ineligible when she submitted her entry.
It's crazy that people here are complaining that she's taking spots away from other NCAA athletes or taking scholarships or something. In the context of this event, she's just a rando turning up to run. There are no stakes here other than winning a heat, which is fun but ultimately doesn't matter at all. She signed up pretty late, she definitely didn't take a spot away from someone else who got booted in favor of her. I've gone to plenty of all-comers meets unattached, and it's totally fine and nobody cares.
“Today (February 6th 2025) the NCAA announced the Board of Governors voted to update the Association's participation policy for transgender student-athletes following the Trump administration's executive order. The new policy limits competition in women's sports to student-athletes assigned female at birth only. The policy permits student-athletes assigned male at birth to practice with women's teams and receive benefits such as medical care while practicing. This policy is effective immediately and applies to all student-athletes regardless of previous eligibility reviews under the NCAA's prior transgender participation policy.”
It’s against NCAA transgender athletes policy for her to compete. Maybe she can sue Trump?
She is ineligible under the NCAA policy, but not under the USATF policy. She was not trying to enter this meet as an NCAA athlete. She was trying to enter the meet as an unattached athlete.
This meet is an "all-comers" meet that allows athletes not eligible in NCAA to compete. For example, you see English Gardner as an entrant in 100m. She has already exhausted all her NCAA eligibility. There are other people who are either unattached or listing the names of their track clubs in their entry form. Many of those people are probably NCAA ineligible.
And the race organizers did not let Schreiner know she was ineligible when she submitted her entry.
I suspect Princeton will argue that it is required to follow Trump's expansive February 5, 2025 "Keeping Men Out of Women’s Sports" executive order, which states, among other things,
"it is the policy of the United States to rescind all funds from educational programs that deprive women and girls of fair athletic opportunities, which results in the endangerment, humiliation, and silencing of women and girls and deprives them of privacy. It shall also be the policy of the United States to oppose male competitive participation in women’s sports more broadly, as a matter of safety, fairness, dignity, and truth."
As it's written, the order doesn't just apply to high school and college athletics, and it could be interpreted to include this meet. Even if you could argue that the meet is precluded from Trump's order (tough argument to make), Princeton didn't want to FAFO.
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and to protect opportunities for women and
“Today (February 6th 2025) the NCAA announced the Board of Governors voted to update the Association's participation policy for transgender student-athletes following the Trump administration's executive order. The new policy limits competition in women's sports to student-athletes assigned female at birth only. The policy permits student-athletes assigned male at birth to practice with women's teams and receive benefits such as medical care while practicing. This policy is effective immediately and applies to all student-athletes regardless of previous eligibility reviews under the NCAA's prior transgender participation policy.”
It’s against NCAA transgender athletes policy for her to compete. Maybe she can sue Trump?
She is ineligible under the NCAA policy, but not under the USATF policy.
Are you sure Sadie Schreiner is eligible to compete in women's events under the USATF policy that's in force today and was in force when the Ells Invitational was held in early May of this year?
I was under the impression that some time early this year USATF quietly updated its "transgender inclusion" policy, making it impossible for a male athlete like Schreiner to gain eligiblity to compete in women's events anymore.
The statement on the USATF website at the present time says that USATF now adheres to the policy that World Athletics put in place in March 2023.
As a World Athletics member federation, USATF is complying with the World Athletics Eligibility Regulations for Transgender Athletes (taking effect March 31, 2023) as the medical and scientific basis for the USATF classification and eligibility policy for transgender athletes competing in open events and World Athletics Rankings Events.
This policy requires that certain medical benchmarks be achieved before an athlete may compete in a classification other than the sex assigned at birth for medals, prize money and other benefits.The intent of this policy is to establish competitive eligibility and to help ensure fair competition.
As you know, the World Athletics’ 2023 policy sets benchmarks that Schreiner can't meet. The WA policy allows male athletes who’ve adopted a trans gender identity to become eligible to compete in women’s events only if they can provide medical records that prove to the satisfaction of WA’s medical officers that
They must not have experienced any part of male puberty either beyond Tanner Stage 2 or after age 12 (whichever comes first).
And that since they turned 12 or reached Tanner Stage 2, whichever came first,
they must have continuously maintained the concentration of testosterone in their serum below 2.5 nmol/L.
They must continue to maintain the concentration of testosterone in their serum below 2.5 nmol/L at all times (i.e., whether they are in competition or out of competition) for so long as they wish to retain eligibility to compete in the female classification….
For purposes of these Transgender Regulations, all measurements of serum testosterone must be conducted by means of liquid chromatography coupled with mass spectrometry.
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The statement on the USATF website at the present time says that USATF now adheres to the policy that World Athletics put in place in March 2023.
As a World Athletics member federation, USATF is complying with the World Athletics Eligibility Regulations for Transgender Athletes (taking effect March 31, 2023) as the medical and scientific basis for the USATF classification and eligibility policy for transgender athletes competing in open events and World Athletics Rankings Events.
This policy requires that certain medical benchmarks be achieved before an athlete may compete in a classification other than the sex assigned at birth for medals, prize money and other benefits.The intent of this policy is to establish competitive eligibility and to help ensure fair competition.
Even if the USATF policy has changed, Schreiner might have not known that and those she was eligible. I don't think she intentionally submitted her entry in order to be disqualified, as another poster suggested above.
I also do not think Princeton intentionally tried to humiliate Schreiner by waiting until the last minute to disqualify her. They probably did not notice Schreiner was transgender until shortly before the race. This was probably a matter of negligence rather than any malicious intent.
“Today (February 6th 2025) the NCAA announced the Board of Governors voted to update the Association's participation policy for transgender student-athletes following the Trump administration's executive order. The new policy limits competition in women's sports to student-athletes assigned female at birth only. The policy permits student-athletes assigned male at birth to practice with women's teams and receive benefits such as medical care while practicing. This policy is effective immediately and applies to all student-athletes regardless of previous eligibility reviews under the NCAA's prior transgender participation policy.”
It’s against NCAA transgender athletes policy for her to compete. Maybe she can sue Trump?
She is ineligible under the NCAA policy, but not under the USATF policy. She was not trying to enter this meet as an NCAA athlete. She was trying to enter the meet as an unattached athlete.
This meet is an "all-comers" meet that allows athletes not eligible in NCAA to compete. For example, you see English Gardner as an entrant in 100m. She has already exhausted all her NCAA eligibility. There are other people who are either unattached or listing the names of their track clubs in their entry form. Many of those people are probably NCAA ineligible.
And the race organizers did not let Schreiner know she was ineligible when she submitted her entry.
Do you know if he contacted the school and disclosed that he was entering prior to paying?
If my daughter shows up to race women but instead is put in a heat against men, she cares. If my 12 year old son shows up to a USATF age group meet and is forced to race against 16 year olds, he cares. If my wife shows up to a road race and they give her age group medal to a male, she cares.
The statement on the USATF website at the present time says that USATF now adheres to the policy that World Athletics put in place in March 2023.
As a World Athletics member federation, USATF is complying with the World Athletics Eligibility Regulations for Transgender Athletes (taking effect March 31, 2023) as the medical and scientific basis for the USATF classification and eligibility policy for transgender athletes competing in open events and World Athletics Rankings Events.
This policy requires that certain medical benchmarks be achieved before an athlete may compete in a classification other than the sex assigned at birth for medals, prize money and other benefits.The intent of this policy is to establish competitive eligibility and to help ensure fair competition.
Even if the USATF policy has changed, Schreiner might have not known that and those she was eligible. I don't think she intentionally submitted her entry in order to be disqualified, as another poster suggested above.
I also do not think Princeton intentionally tried to humiliate Schreiner by waiting until the last minute to disqualify her. They probably did not notice Schreiner was transgender until shortly before the race. This was probably a matter of negligence rather than any malicious intent.
The complaint reads as if it was written by Schreiner. The references to "law", etc. don't have any references themselves based on what I read here so I'm not sure where her standing legally would be. The biggest problem for any of the defendants will be having to pay an attorney to have the case dismissed.
Any case such as this which wanders its way to the SCOTUS...implied by a poster or two...I'd guess would not work out in favor of those who want to compete as biological males in the female category. This is particularly true in the current environment.
The statement on the USATF website at the present time says that USATF now adheres to the policy that World Athletics put in place in March 2023.
As a World Athletics member federation, USATF is complying with the World Athletics Eligibility Regulations for Transgender Athletes (taking effect March 31, 2023) as the medical and scientific basis for the USATF classification and eligibility policy for transgender athletes competing in open events and World Athletics Rankings Events.
This policy requires that certain medical benchmarks be achieved before an athlete may compete in a classification other than the sex assigned at birth for medals, prize money and other benefits.The intent of this policy is to establish competitive eligibility and to help ensure fair competition.
Even if the USATF policy has changed, Schreiner might have not known that and those she was eligible. I don't think she intentionally submitted her entry in order to be disqualified, as another poster suggested above.
I also do not think Princeton intentionally tried to humiliate Schreiner by waiting until the last minute to disqualify her. They probably did not notice Schreiner was transgender until shortly before the race. This was probably a matter of negligence rather than any malicious intent.
Oops, sorry about the “Page Not Found” notice. I have no idea what's going on with the link.
The link I posted should have take you to the document currently on the USATF website titled
I just tried posting the link to the USATF statement again, but when I clicked on it after posting it to LRC, I see that once again it's coming up "Page Not Found."
However, when I enter "USATF transgender policy" into the Google search bar, the current statement named above comes up without any problem. So please try that.
Again, apologies for giving a link that didn’t work earlier. I will try to find a link to the current USATF statement of its policy that does work.
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She is ineligible under the NCAA policy, but not under the USATF policy. She was not trying to enter this meet as an NCAA athlete. She was trying to enter the meet as an unattached athlete.
This meet is an "all-comers" meet that allows athletes not eligible in NCAA to compete. For example, you see English Gardner as an entrant in 100m. She has already exhausted all her NCAA eligibility. There are other people who are either unattached or listing the names of their track clubs in their entry form. Many of those people are probably NCAA ineligible.
And the race organizers did not let Schreiner know she was ineligible when she submitted her entry.
Do you know if he contacted the school and disclosed that he was entering prior to paying?
According to the legal filing, she submitted her entry online. So the school knew she had entered. How else was she supposed to "contact" the school?
Even if the USATF policy has changed, Schreiner might have not known that and those she was eligible. I don't think she intentionally submitted her entry in order to be disqualified, as another poster suggested above.
I also do not think Princeton intentionally tried to humiliate Schreiner by waiting until the last minute to disqualify her. They probably did not notice Schreiner was transgender until shortly before the race. This was probably a matter of negligence rather than any malicious intent.
Oops, sorry about the “Page Not Found” notice. I have no idea what happened there.
That link should have take you to the document on the USATF website titled
Which is where the passages I quoted in my earlier come from.
I just tried posting the link again, but once again it's coming up "Page Not Found."
But when I enter "USATF transgender policy" into the Google search bar, the current statement named above comes up without any problem. So please try that.
Again, apologies for giving a link that didn’t work earlier. I will try to find a link that does work.
Your link does not work because it is missing "-" at the end of URL.
Which is where the passages I quoted in my earlier come from.
I just tried posting the link again, but once again it's coming up "Page Not Found."
But when I enter "USATF transgender policy" into the Google search bar, the current statement named above comes up without any problem. So please try that.
Again, apologies for giving a link that didn’t work earlier. I will try to find a link that does work.
Your link does not work because it is missing "-" at the end of URL.
Thanks for finding the statement on your own. Actually, the URL I posted did contain the missing dash. But when I post the link with the correct URL to LRC, it keeps going hinky for some unknown reason.
Then again, I am generally having a shedload of problems using and posting on LRC today.
At any rate, I am glad and appreciative that you took the time to find the USATF statement describing its current trans inclusion policy for yourself. Although you and I rarely see eye to eye, I hope you know by now that it's not my style or habit to post broken links or make statements I can't back up with sources.
