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10 months ago 07/12/2025 11:55am EDT

re: liar liar pants on fire

liar liar pants on fire wrote:
actual heat is anything above 95F, near or above body temperature.

With temperature the answer is always "It depends" It depends on the
time of day. If the Sun is low on the horizon and you're running in the
shade you should be OK. It depends on the dew point.

Example:
5/14/2010 DOHA
1) 12:51 Kipchoge
2) 12:51 Chepcok
================================
The race was run at night. Sunset at near the Equator is 6:00pm. That means the race went off two and a half hours past sunset. There is NO radiant energy coming from the Sun at ground level. There is little stored energy (comparatively) in the air. It's a good time to run.

The 5000m went of at 8:35pm. The temperature was about 94, the DEW POINT was 54. In other words it was ideal for running fast. The physiological benefits of a higher entropy without barriers to heat dissipation.

Tweet:twitter.com/FloTrack/status/1124357966...

10 months ago 07/12/2025 11:58am EDT

re: Sally vv

Sally vv wrote:
malmo wrote:
Now that you said 82 (temp) was the low of the day....which day?
Not saying you can't have a dew point of 80, but it's so rare, even in Houston, its not worth talking about without a pre-qualifyer something like "I remember one day in 2023 ..."
The OP asked if it was too hot to run on a perfect day (77 61%).
You said "where I live it could be 82 95 %"
After it was explained to why that statement was doubtful you should have "oh, maybe I got my numbers mixed up. Thanks." Then you should have taken the time to research and learn. Thats a good thing. You didn't. You kept coming back with more BS.
If you want I can give you a link to Houston's historical daily weather data for as many years that you want. Then you could point to a day that had a Dew Point of 80..
But thats far, far away from the original question. 77/61 is so perfect that Lou Reed would suggest you go to the park with a bottle of Dubennet and ice instead.
77/61 even with the bright Sun beating directly down on you is just fine. If the Sun is at a low altitude, let's say 6-7 pm, it will be ideal.
So stop. You got a lesson in heat/humidity/dew point and if Deno starts a thread "songs about parks and picnics" you can contribute on that one, as well.
[edit] correction. Lou Reed had Sangria in the park. He had Dubonnet and ice at a small Cafe.
Pull up a chart of August 2024 Houston with low temps for the month. A number of days with lows of 81 and 82. Average dew point of 77 for the month with a high dew point of 84 or 85.
Next time Deno has a Songs about Barbie thread, feel free to participate.

Need to change my user name to "nope", cuz that's a big nope. Highest DP in Houston in August 2024 was 79. As expected.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/monthly/us/tx/alvin/KEFD/date/2024-8

10 months ago 07/12/2025 12:22pm EDT

re: Sally vv

Sally vv wrote:
malmo wrote:
Now that you said 82 (temp) was the low of the day....which day?
Not saying you can't have a dew point of 80, but it's so rare, even in Houston, its not worth talking about without a pre-qualifyer something like "I remember one day in 2023 ..."
The OP asked if it was too hot to run on a perfect day (77 61%).
You said "where I live it could be 82 95 %"
After it was explained to why that statement was doubtful you should have "oh, maybe I got my numbers mixed up. Thanks." Then you should have taken the time to research and learn. Thats a good thing. You didn't. You kept coming back with more BS.
If you want I can give you a link to Houston's historical daily weather data for as many years that you want. Then you could point to a day that had a Dew Point of 80..
But thats far, far away from the original question. 77/61 is so perfect that Lou Reed would suggest you go to the park with a bottle of Dubennet and ice instead.
77/61 even with the bright Sun beating directly down on you is just fine. If the Sun is at a low altitude, let's say 6-7 pm, it will be ideal.
So stop. You got a lesson in heat/humidity/dew point and if Deno starts a thread "songs about parks and picnics" you can contribute on that one, as well.
[edit] correction. Lou Reed had Sangria in the park. He had Dubonnet and ice at a small Cafe.
Pull up a chart of August 2024 Houston with low temps for the month. A number of days with 1) lows of 81 and 82. (actual low 75°) 2)Average dew point of 77 (actual avg DP 74.54) for the month with a 3) high dew point of 84 or 85 (actual hi DP 79°)
Next time Deno has a Songs about Barbie thread, feel free to participate.

You are just dense as anyone who has ever posted on LRC. You keep doing sprints into a concrete wall. Just stop. I'm not going to respond to your idiocy anymore!

August 2024
Max temp 101° 8/24
1) Low temp 75° 8/26 8/29
2) Avg dew point 74.54
3) Max dew point 79° 8/14 8/20
Min dew point 65° 8/25

https://www.wunderground.com/history/monthly/us/tx/houston/KHOU/date/2024-8

10 months ago 07/12/2025 3:05pm EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
The 5000m went of at 8:35pm. The temperature was about 94, the DEW POINT was 54. In other words it was ideal for running fast. The physiological benefits of a higher entropy without barriers to heat dissipation.
Tweet:...
Tweet:http://twitter.com/FloTrack/status/112...

unless you're going far enough to sweat out all your water.

the first time I ran in those conditions, I was shocked how fast it happened, had no idea I was sweating profusely. You don't see the sweat

10 months ago 07/12/2025 4:38pm EDT

re: don't like the heat

don't like the heat wrote:
I was going to do a 5k tomorrow morning to test my fitness but it will be around 77F, full sun, no wind. Tempted to leave it for another week?

Is there a chance you could win?

10 months ago 07/12/2025 5:10pm EDT

re: don't like the heat

Forget about PRing, run to WIN.

10 months ago 07/12/2025 7:24pm EDT

re: liar liar pants on fire

liar liar pants on fire wrote:
malmo wrote:
The 5000m went of at 8:35pm. The temperature was about 94, the DEW POINT was 54. In other words it was ideal for running fast. The physiological benefits of a higher entropy without barriers to heat dissipation.
Tweet:...
Tweet:http://twitter.com/FloTrack/status/112...
unless you're going far enough to sweat out all your water.
the first time I ran in those conditions, I was shocked how fast it happened, had no idea I was sweating profusely. You don't see the sweat

I grew up in the DC area. I have many fond memories of Summer runs, completely drenched in sweat, including shoes. If you wore EB Lydiard shoes the leather would dry hard and tear into your toes.

https://tinyurl.com/Lydiard-shoes

10 months ago 07/12/2025 10:24pm EDT

re: malmo

If Jakob can run 7:17 and win 5K gold medals in hotter conditions, then I think you should at least show up.

10 months ago 07/13/2025 1:14am EDT

re: don't like the heat

don't like the heat wrote:
I was going to do a 5k tomorrow morning to test my fitness but it will be around 77F, full sun, no wind. Tempted to leave it for another week?

I lived in Mississippi for a few years, and a lot of the time would have killed for 77f.

It is not going to make you a minute slower. I can remember running in a humid 90f plus, and if I could have run a minute quicker than that I'd have won the USATF Masters 5000m a few weeks later.

A non humid 77f is really not going to slow you a whole lot in a race that's about 15 minutes.

10 months ago 07/13/2025 1:48am EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
liar liar pants on fire wrote:
unless you're going far enough to sweat out all your water.
the first time I ran in those conditions, I was shocked how fast it happened, had no idea I was sweating profusely. You don't see the sweat
I grew up in the DC area. I have many fond memories of Summer runs, completely drenched in sweat, including shoes. If you wore EB Lydiard shoes the leather would dry hard and tear into your toes.
Link:tinyurl.com/Lydiard-shoes

it's different in Arizona.

Being drenched in sweat just means you know you sweated. When RH is near zero you don't see it, just suddenly you are dried up and almost dead

10 months ago 07/13/2025 8:21am EDT

re: don't like the heat

when i wake up its 78f with 80% humidity

come test your fitness, wimpy

10 months ago 07/13/2025 10:05am EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
Runner signs up for a race that starts at 8am in the summer.
Runner wakes up and runs their training run at 6am in the summer.
Daily runs. Speed work. Whatever.
Runner complains about warm and sunny its going to be for their race.
You'd think logic would tell you that you probably want to do at least some runs later in the day when its hotter and the sun is directly overhead so as to better prepare you for race day....
I ran a 10 mile race in Vienna VA at 8am. July 1980. I ran 52:00. Two people died that day. There is nothing you can do to prepare for a day like that.
I was 2nd at Peachtree that year on one of its hotter days

52 flat for 10 miles is blazing. Could the race organizers have done more, or was it just bad luck?

10 months ago 07/13/2025 10:44am EDT

re: grow a pair..

grow a pair.. wrote:
when i wake up its 78f with 80% humidity
come test your fitness, wimpy

85F (29.7C) with 83% humidity in where I live.

10 months ago 07/13/2025 1:54pm EDT

re: trump2024

trump2024 wrote:
Forget about PRing, run to WIN.

100%

Super shoes, pace lights, pacers, high tech tracks, triple hydration recovery/pre race fluids, Bi-Carb, aerodynamic body suits, time of day, temperature, dew point, humidity, heat index, wind speed, position of the sun, position of the moon, number of lanes on track, staggered start, inside water jump, outside water jump, number of spectators, number of competitors, FAT timing, Hand timing, arm sleeves (one or both), compression socks, shorts or half tights, heart rate monitor, watch, socks, no socks, etc...

I probably missed a few other variables, other than that, once you've plugged all that sh^t into your software AI program, you should be good to go!

Oh yeah, and most importantly...DON'T BE LAST!!!

10 months ago 07/13/2025 2:53pm EDT

re: roulette wheel1

roulette wheel1 wrote:
malmo wrote:
I ran a 10 mile race in Vienna VA at 8am. July 1980. I ran 52:00. Two people died that day. There is nothing you can do to prepare for a day like that.
I was 2nd at Peachtree that year on one of its hotter days
52 flat for 10 miles is blazing. Could the race organizers have done more, or was it just bad luck?

Not when you've run 47 flat. It was brutal.

10 months ago 07/13/2025 3:07pm EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
roulette wheel1 wrote:
52 flat for 10 miles is blazing. Could the race organizers have done more, or was it just bad luck?
Not when you've run 47 flat. It was brutal.

When you say you have run 47 flat and you have not, it makes you look bad. Real bad.

10 months ago 07/13/2025 3:28pm EDT

re: Cappy PPoi

Cappy PPoi wrote:
malmo wrote:
Not when you've run 47 flat. It was brutal.
When you say you have run 47 flat and you have not, it makes you look bad. Real bad.

47:02 you can forgive me for rounding down 2 seconds.. Why do you bother posting?

10 months ago 07/13/2025 9:28pm EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
roulette wheel1 wrote:
52 flat for 10 miles is blazing. Could the race organizers have done more, or was it just bad luck?
Not when you've run 47 flat. It was brutal.

Lots of respect!

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