Hocker is a one hit wonder wrote:
I doubt he will win a major international race again
It was a PB for him.
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Dirtrunner wrote:
Faster than he was last year here. Think he just missed the move with Nuguse. He will be ready at trials
"Missed the move" is not really what happened. There was no move to speak of.
The gun went off. Nuguse and Habz pushed really hard to connect with the pacer and then ran on the lights (WR pace) for 1400m. At the end, Nuguse and Habz were rigging, Laros came from 12th pace at the 1000m mark and somehow won by 1/100th of a second.
Meanwhile, Hocker ran well in the pack. If the race I just described above hadn't happened, Hocker would have been the winner in the pack.
But as you know, there was real race going on and that one happened to be for the actual win.
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Always November wrote:
8-10? As they say, your "math ain't mathin'"
Jacob is injured, but we'll give you him just based on his historical excellence.
Kerr? Lost to Hocker earlier this year in Jamaica, but edged him by 7/100s of a second in Philly, but okay, we'll give you him too.
Nuguse? Lost to Hocker in Philly, but had a great run at Pre, so fine, we'll give you him as well.
Laros? 2-5 lifetime against Hocker, but sure, we'll even give you him off of his great close at Pre.
So that's 4 guys. Who else? Habz? Also 2-5 lifetime against Hocker in the 1500, but his "secret sauce" seems to be working just fine this year, so we'll throw him in too.
5 guys. All of whom Hocker has beaten--or more important, likely will beat in Tokyo.
Thus, your "8-10 guys" is a bit off, and I will mark this post and come back to you in September and serve you a generous helping of humble pie when Hocker likely wins (definitely podium -- mark it). You silly, silly man.
What about Festus Lagat? Isn't he in 3:29 shape right now? What about Phanuel Koech? Didn't he just run his second 1500 of his life and bust out a 3:27?
I think there are 10 guys "in the mix" right now including Hocker. I am a Hocker fan, but to claim he is better than these guys this year is not showing enough respect to the fact that the Olympic result from 2024 don't matter during races in 2025.
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high school xc coach wrote:
HockerIsDone wrote:
Why are there 8-10 people a hell of a lot faster than him right now?
They don't know how to "peak"? Not buying that!
i don't think hocker has a secret peaking strategy. his body just responds better to a taper than most.
you don't see that taper giving the same magic to cooper teare, right?
Uh, that's because Cooper Teare is an inferior athlete to Hocker.
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Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
Dirtrunner wrote:
Faster than he was last year here. Think he just missed the move with Nuguse. He will be ready at trials
"Missed the move" is not really what happened. There was no move to speak of.
The gun went off. Nuguse and Habz pushed really hard to connect with the pacer and then ran on the lights (WR pace) for 1400m. At the end, Nuguse and Habz were rigging, Laros came from 12th pace at the 1000m mark and somehow won by 1/100th of a second.
Meanwhile, Hocker ran well in the pack. If the race I just described above hadn't happened, Hocker would have been the winner in the pack.
But as you know, there was real race going on and that one happened to be for the actual win.
100% Wavelight pacing is public knowledge before the race, so there is no surprise Nuguse went with the pacer. Especially when his coach is alluding to this fact in an interview with LR's JG.
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I didn't recall him getting caught. Did Tuohy dope for her 3000? Did every runner dope for their one outlier race? Why wouldn't they dope more often?
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HOcker's win against Nuguse at the US trials wasn't insignificant and almost certainly showed sub 3:30 fitness.
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high school xc coach wrote:
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HOcker's win against Nuguse at the US trials wasn't insignificant and almost certainly showed sub 3:30 fitness.
It only showed Hocker can win 3:30 mid races, which makes sense for a 3:30 guy, and that Nuguse has exceptional talent but sucks at racing.
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do now wrote:
I didn't recall him getting caught. Did Tuohy dope for her 3000? Did every runner dope for their one outlier race? Why wouldn't they dope more often?
To not get caught obviously. He kept the juice for the OG final. Dude, that'd not hard to understand.
Now what he was on, that's the real interesting question. I think a good few guys (and women) are on it too now.
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HockerIsDone wrote:
Queue the usual excuses:
- it's mid season, he's got time...
- Cole knows to peak, it's part of the process...
- it's actually faster than where he was two years ago, when he did ... (nothing)
- Diamond League races are overrated...
- He will be there when it counts...
All BS. All athletes race to win, to be the best.
If you don't win races, you're not the best. I don't consider him top 3 right now.
They must be Jamaicans. The only one missing a la Jamaicans: the coach told him not to win.
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KelsunCA wrote:
Hocker only won because Jakob made the biggest mistake of his life- left the inside Lane wide open! Had Jacob stayed against the rail, Hocker never would have won- he would have been blocked
Jakob went wide to try to block Kerr, which opened the rail for Hocker. Had Jakob stayed on the rail, Kerr likely wins with Hocker in second. But we’ll never know.
Nugusse leaving the rail wide open at Pre was a huge tactical blunder. Certainly cost him the race.
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He got tested after gold. If it is undetectable, why stop?
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HockerTua wrote:
KelsunCA wrote:
Hocker only won because Jakob made the biggest mistake of his life- left the inside Lane wide open! Had Jacob stayed against the rail, Hocker never would have won- he would have been blocked
Jakob went wide to try to block Kerr, which opened the rail for Hocker. Had Jakob stayed on the rail, Kerr likely wins with Hocker in second. But we’ll never know.
Nugusse leaving the rail wide open at Pre was a huge tactical blunder. Certainly cost him the race.
Every runner on the planet does that. Try another excuse.
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Hocker will medal at WC wrote:
Dirtrunner wrote:
Faster than he was last year here. Think he just missed the move with Nuguse. He will be ready at trials
Hocker knows how to peak.
We should all remember him being 100% written off a couple years back by LRC. People get injured, people have bad days, sick days. Guys who crush Kerr, Jacob, and Goose in the olympics get the benefit of the doubt from me.
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Ah yes the "dope for one race" strategy. Surely PED's immediately take effect and go away shortly after. Not sure why everyone else is using the outdated cycle method of PED use or doping in the off season so far out from races. Don't they know the benefits go away immediately?
Someone should tell bodybuilders they only need to juice up the day of the show
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HockerIsDone wrote:
Queue the usual excuses:
- it's mid season, he's got time...
- Cole knows to peak, it's part of the process...
- Diamond League races are overrated...
- He will be there when it counts...
All BS. All athletes race to win, to be the best.
If you don't win races, you're not the best. I don't consider him top 3 right now.
Great post.
It is also "early" season for everyone else in the field lol.
😆😆😆😆😆
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Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
Always November wrote:
8-10? As they say, your "math ain't mathin'"
Jacob is injured, but we'll give you him just based on his historical excellence.
Kerr? Lost to Hocker earlier this year in Jamaica, but edged him by 7/100s of a second in Philly, but okay, we'll give you him too.
Nuguse? Lost to Hocker in Philly, but had a great run at Pre, so fine, we'll give you him as well.
Laros? 2-5 lifetime against Hocker, but sure, we'll even give you him off of his great close at Pre.
So that's 4 guys. Who else? Habz? Also 2-5 lifetime against Hocker in the 1500, but his "secret sauce" seems to be working just fine this year, so we'll throw him in too.
5 guys. All of whom Hocker has beaten--or more important, likely will beat in Tokyo.
Thus, your "8-10 guys" is a bit off, and I will mark this post and come back to you in September and serve you a generous helping of humble pie when Hocker likely wins (definitely podium -- mark it). You silly, silly man.
What about Festus Lagat? Isn't he in 3:29 shape right now? What about Phanuel Koech? Didn't he just run his second 1500 of his life and bust out a 3:27?
I think there are 10 guys "in the mix" right now including Hocker. I am a Hocker fan, but to claim he is better than these guys this year is not showing enough respect to the fact that the Olympic result from 2024 don't matter during races in 2025.
Hocker beat Festus Lagat at Pre.
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McRunnin wrote:
Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
What about Festus Lagat? Isn't he in 3:29 shape right now? What about Phanuel Koech? Didn't he just run his second 1500 of his life and bust out a 3:27?
I think there are 10 guys "in the mix" right now including Hocker. I am a Hocker fan, but to claim he is better than these guys this year is not showing enough respect to the fact that the Olympic result from 2024 don't matter during races in 2025.
Hocker beat Festus Lagat at Pre.
Hocker will be beaten by so many of these guys in Tokyo.
Including Timothy CHERUIYOT. Timothy ran 3:29 in early June and is just getting started.
Hocker's best 1500 this year is a slow 3:32.88 en route in the Bowerman mile, in his own backyard and a the biggest DL of the year to all American Nike athletes... where Cole could only beat Timothy by 0.28 just days after Timothy flew around the world to be there. 😆😆😆😆😆
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Hocker will medal at WC wrote:
Dirtrunner wrote:
Faster than he was last year here. Think he just missed the move with Nuguse. He will be ready at trials
Hocker knows how to peak.
He won the OTs twice and has the trials record. Golbal championships: 6th, 7th, 2nd, 1st - olympic record, made every final. Ran 7:23, 12:57 indoors. When championship time comes, bet on Hocker.
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