There's some weird mental gymnastics on this thread...he can't be doping because he's so fast in only his 2nd 1500...he's not doping because others who doped ran slower than him...
So you are unfamiliar with Commonwealth English practices. Of course. A dumb American.
You are such a prejudiced, ignorant idiot...
Two facts for you: I am not American, and that's not how you write decades in any form of English.
It is but I understand that your literacy is quite limited. But it's such a huge issue for you to have to post about it - and in such a rage. As usual, nothing to offer on the thread subject.
There's some weird mental gymnastics on this thread...he can't be doping because he's so fast in only his 2nd 1500...he's not doping because others who doped ran slower than him...
The only thing you can say definitively is he can’t be untalented. Everything else is arguable.
The best comps for Koech are probably Silas Kiplagat and Ronald Kwemoi. Both left quite a bit of meat on the bones after really amazing starts to their career (both got global silvers). Neither ever was sanctioned for doping (Kwemoi still active) and both when they emerged had both the same fanciful talk about the crazy times they’d assuredly run and also how soon they’d be busted.
Kwemois big problem was his health and some bad luck in championships. Kiplagat was a slight guy and rough tactician who got pushed around in finals. He’d do better in this era probably.
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I'm not sure what point you're making. Is it that the E Germans weren't doping, or that it didn't help them, or that the young Kenyan must be doping (or not?) because he is way faster than E Bloc dopers? (The E German times you mention btw were nonetheless amongst the fastest in the world in that era.)
My point was quite simple. Doping was rife throughout E Bloc sport in the 70's and 80's, so coming to know that we would predict many if not most of their top athletes at the time were doping. Doping is similarly rife in Kenyan running (if not state sponsored) so we might make a similar prediction that any given top Kenyan runner could well be doped. Theirs is also a doping culture.
The only thing you can say definitively is he can’t be untalented. Everything else is arguable.
The best comps for Koech are probably Silas Kiplagat and Ronald Kwemoi. Both left quite a bit of meat on the bones after really amazing starts to their career (both got global silvers). Neither ever was sanctioned for doping (Kwemoi still active) and both when they emerged had both the same fanciful talk about the crazy times they’d assuredly run and also how soon they’d be busted.
Kwemois big problem was his health and some bad luck in championships. Kiplagat was a slight guy and rough tactician who got pushed around in finals. He’d do better in this era probably.
For some reason every time I read a post from the Thoughtsleader on the topic of east African MD runners, this song starts playing in my head.
Koech is the east african answer to western trackflation and will be running the 1500 in sub 3:25, regardless of age. We finally have the Usain Bolt of the 1500m.
It's challenging to provide exact odds for a specific Kenyan athlete due to the complexities of individual circumstances and the ongoing nature of anti-doping and age verification efforts. However, we can discuss the general prevalence and trends: Age Cheating: Acknowledged Problem: Athletics Kenya (AK) openly acknowledges age cheating as a significant issue, particularly in youth competitions. They have vowed to deter it and have flagged athletes for potential age manipulation. Recent Cases: In early 2025, it was reported that 30 Kenyan athletes were flagged by World Athletics for age cheating malpractices. Historical Context: In 2003, Kenya's Under-17 national team was dissolved because some players were found to be over 18. Reasons: Age fabrication is often done to gain an unfair advantage in youth competitions, where older, more physically mature athletes can dominate. Efforts: Athletics Kenya is working with agencies like the Anti-Doping Agency of Kenya (ADAK) and the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) to prevent age manipulation through measures like athlete registration and verification. Positive PED Tests (Doping): Significant Problem: Kenya has a serious doping problem, particularly in distance running. The country was even on a World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) compliance watch list. High Numbers of Bans: The Anti-Doping Database reports nearly 280 Kenyans have been banned for anti-doping rule violations, with 257 of these in track and field. Since 2017, nearly 100 Kenyan athletes have been penalized for positive tests, mostly long-distance runners. Between 2004 and August 2018, 138 Kenyan athletes across all sports tested positive for prohibited substances. In 2022 alone, 25 Kenyan athletes were sanctioned with 19 active cases pending. As of 2024, 82 Kenyan athletes have been banned due to doping violations. Common Substances: Nandrolone (an anabolic steroid) and triamcinolone acetonide (used for weight loss, muscle building, and endurance) are frequently detected. EPO (Erythropoietin), a blood-boosting substance, has also led to high-profile bans. Factors Contributing to Doping: Research suggests factors like inadequate training on doping rules, influence of support personnel, and financial pressures play a role. Efforts to Combat Doping: The Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) conducts targeted testing, and organizations like ADAK are working to raise awareness and enforce anti-doping rules. Kenyan athletes undergo a high number of tests. Summary of "Odds": While it's impossible to give precise mathematical odds for any individual Kenyan athlete, the available information indicates that: Age Cheating: There is a recognized issue with age cheating, and a notable number of athletes have been flagged or caught. For athletes competing in age-group categories, the "odds" of encountering an age cheat or an athlete being involved in age manipulation are unfortunately higher than they should be. Doping: The "odds" of a Kenyan athlete testing positive for PEDs are considerably higher than in many other countries, especially in endurance events. The large number of banned athletes and the ongoing efforts to combat doping highlight the pervasive nature of the problem. It's important to note that these statistics represent a small percentage of the total number of Kenyan athletes, and the majority compete clean. However, the prevalence of these issues has significantly impacted Kenya's reputation in international athletics.
people down vote the official statements from accredited PED testing agencies and Athletic confederations here ....
just sayin,
posts usually reference are based on some kind of authority ....
The answer to “Where did he come from?” is doping. Sorry to anyone who thinks otherwise. You can be as naive as you please but once testing ramps up around Worlds this guy will disappear.
Anyone who thinks he’s actually 18 is naive too - but that’s another point entirely.
The answer to “Where did he come from?” is doping. Sorry to anyone who thinks otherwise. You can be as naive as you please but once testing ramps up around Worlds this guy will disappear.
Anyone who thinks he’s actually 18 is naive too - but that’s another point entirely.
Innocent until proven guilty
As far as I know, Katir has all his Medals and times.
So did you find something with your hunt of ants? For comparison Haaland of the Man City is 663.000 $$ per week.
(it was 900.000 last year) Omar Marmoush of Man City has a salary of 395.000$$ per week.
Achraf Hakimi has bought a Spanish football club, Ciudad de Getafe.
They can help the poor Sebastian Coe to get a better life.
As far as I know, Katir has all his Medals and times.
But he cheated to get them. People running 5k at their local parkrun and running 20+ minutes have more athletic merit than a guy who has world or national record times obtained dishonourably.
I'm not sure what point you're making. Is it that the E Germans weren't doping, or that it didn't help them, or that the young Kenyan must be doping (or not?) because he is way faster than E Bloc dopers? (The E German times you mention btw were nonetheless amongst the fastest in the world in that era.)
My point was quite simple. Doping was rife throughout E Bloc sport in the 70's and 80's, so coming to know that we would predict many if not most of their top athletes at the time were doping. Doping is similarly rife in Kenyan running (if not state sponsored) so we might make a similar prediction that any given top Kenyan runner could well be doped. Theirs is also a doping culture.
I'm not sure what point you're making. Is it that the E Germans weren't doping, or that it didn't help them, or that the young Kenyan must be doping (or not?) because he is way faster than E Bloc dopers? (The E German times you mention btw were nonetheless amongst the fastest in the world in that era.)
One of them aged only 20 completely obliterated both Coe and Ovett in the 800m Euro champs in 1978, sprinting past them both in the last 100m as though he had been out for a Sunday jog. He then blew apart his ankle in a soccer injury shortly afterwards and was never the same runner again. Who knows what he would have done without that freak injury?
I'm not sure what point you're making. Is it that the E Germans weren't doping, or that it didn't help them, or that the young Kenyan must be doping (or not?) because he is way faster than E Bloc dopers? (The E German times you mention btw were nonetheless amongst the fastest in the world in that era.)
My point was quite simple. Doping was rife throughout E Bloc sport in the 70's and 80's, so coming to know that we would predict many if not most of their top athletes at the time were doping. Doping is similarly rife in Kenyan running (if not state sponsored) so we might make a similar prediction that any given top Kenyan runner could well be doped. Theirs is also a doping culture.
He prefers to write decades wrongly.
You prefer to show you haven't a clue about anything - including that.