No. He clearly tossed the baton toward the infield. Don't make stuff up.
INDEED.
It was SO OBVIOUSLY a toss. The baton lands OUT OF SCREEN, AT LEAST EIGHT FEET AWAY from the track where he throws it.
EVEN HIS COACH POSTED THIS: "he tossed the baton."
If someone drops something while standing nearly still, which this runner was doing at the time, it will fall DOWN vertically, not magically fly away from them HORIZONTALLY.
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I think the coach is right to be upset and speak up for his team, but this is clearly against the rules as written. A lot of the "rules are rules" guys on this forum can't seem to hold a consistent position.
yeah you barely, i mean inches, finish the relay and then just lay there in an interior lane while others finish. around you.
That's the other thing. This kid just sits there in lane 1, inches over the finish, while everyone else finished. People need to finish the race.
The sullenly throws the baton into the infield?? To where his teammate is lying down? People need to collect these to get on with the meet. No, Timmy, we don't throw things like that. Go get the stick and give it to the man in the white shirt.
In the few seconds of video here, this kid is coming across as a bit of a brat. Maybe it's good if he learns something from this before he graduates. Somehow I doubt it, though, if coach (and most likely mommy and daddy) are whining that 'it's not faiiiiir, make an exception for himmmm.'
Why was the rule crafted? So come guy who is exhausted couldn't toss or drop the baton in the infield when he was done with it and it would impact no one?
I don't think so.
We're supposed to track him and if he goes into the gymnasium after the track make sure he doesn't drop the baton there too?
1. I kind of wish that it was feasible to have a little appeal hearing and look at the intent behind every action anyone makes in sport. But that would be incredibly subjective. That's why we have rules that are based on objective actions (e.g. "Don't throw batons") and not subjective interpretations like the coach here wants to apply (e.g. "But was he mad?)
The rule: "a relay team shall be disqualified when any member of the team throws the baton following the finish of any relay." There is not reasonable argument that he didn't throw it.
Any child or AI examining this video asked "Does the man throw the baton?" will say "yes."
2. If you have to make an argument this silly, you know you're not on firm ground! This kid threw the baton while he was on the track, while the race was still in progress.
What about after the race is over? And he isn't even on the track any more. Not a DQ. Plus it isn't like he is supposed to give the baton to an official. Each team brings their own batons, right? It would be different if he were supposed to hand it back to someone but tossed it at their feet disrespectfully, but he didn't...
Just curious, can you "drop the baton" into your backpack? Can you toss the baton into your backpack from two feet away? Are you DQed if it misses? That is nuts.
This wasn't part of the race anymore.
Terrible post.
"Every team brings their own batons"??? What are you even talking about? No. (If you know nothing about the subject, why comment? Your little backpack argument just makes you look moronic.🤡🤡🤡)
Learn something: YES, he is supposed to return it to an official. Every other team managed, in every other heat, and frankly every other meet to do this without bizarrely throwing it at to their teammate lying in the infield.
To be clear: He throws it as he steps over the rail of the track, while other runners are still finishing. (Hint: If you have to lie to make your argument, it probably isn't a good argument.)
It's not just that he tossed the baton, he's generally being a douchebag at the finish. Takes his sweet ass time getting up off the finish line, very slowly walks away- but then turns around and wanders back into lane 1, almost taking out a finishing runner, before cutting through the officials' finish line area and tossing the baton right in front of an official. There's no rule for "general finish line douchebaggery" but there is one for baton tossing so they got him on that.
True, this probably didn't help his case on a pure judgement call from the official.
Anyone familiar with the sport would find this kid's behavior gross, even before he back the rules by throwing the baton.
If you watch other videos of the same meet there is an official collecting batons in the same area where this kid tossed/threw/dropped the baton in the opposite direction. IF the kid displayed complete indifference I can understand the DQ. In the end the goal is better humans not just faster splits and medals.
Better humans!
I mean, he plainly showed indifference:
To the fact that runners were still finishing while he was being a drama queen collapsed in lane 1 where they had to run.
To the fact that after the relay, the anchor gives the baton to the extremely visible official. (Nobody else managed to screw up this simple point.)
This should be coached from early on, just like lining up to for a relay handover in the 4x4, 4x8, or medley.
Reminds me of the swim meet where the 4x100 relay team jumped in the lane after the anchor finished first. Instant DQ. Doesn't really matter if you had a smile or a frown on your face while you do it.
Exactly when and how are you allowed to take the baton out of your hand? What if he sat on the infield and dropped it to the ground? This is completely absurd and the official who disqualified him should be disqualified.
The rules CLEARLY state that you must gently place the baton in a padded case with both hands, which is then carefully carried by a two-person crew back to the team's designated gathering area. Any nicks or scratches on the baton will result in a lifetime ban.
apparently.
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You can make dumb strawman arguments like these two guys.
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Or you can accept the fact that "Don't throw the baton" is an extremely clear rule that 99.9% of people seem to understand without special coddling.
Truth. It's like getting a ticket for going 36 in a 35. You could've let it go and no one would've complained. But it was called, and it's a DQ. He was still on the track when it was thrown. No one is advocating for a DQ or rooting against the kid(s). It sucks, but unfortunately it's the right call. Complaining about it and looking for help on LetsRun is probably not the most mature way to handle it as a coach too.
So you think getting a ticket for going 36 in a 35 is the right call even though that's NEVER done?
So you think getting a ticket for going 36 in a 35 is the right call even though that's NEVER done?
A better example would be sportsmanship rules in other sports.
e.g. In wrestling, from children's clubs to high school to college, it is well understood that you can't throw your headgear.
It isn't the officials' job to guess and judge and review video to decide whether you were "angry" or "tired" or "frustrated" -- or whether it was an overhand, underhand, or side-arm motion.
It's your job not to throw it. And it's the coach's job to teach the athlete this.
The rule was crafted so that the batons weren’t thrown AND officials don’t have to make judgement calls. Really want to have arguments about after a kid toss the batons and hits someone in the head what the intent was.
That was going to be my summary. Details of this incident don't matter. A baton is not a puff ball. The rule is designed to eliminate subjectivity and severely lessen the chances of a tragic accident, like a coach's young son happily running toward his dad on the infield just in time for his eye to intersect with a tossed baton from an oblivious exhausted runner.
Rojo: While I guess we could argue over the definition of "throwing" the baton the rules have always been pretty clear good or bad. I blame the coach on this. Clearly, at the start of the year every athlete should be taught/instructed to hand the baton to the official after a relay race. That solves the issue of less than experienced officials making calls like this.
RULE
Yes, throwing the baton in Track and Field is a violation that leads to disqualification. This rule applies whether the baton is thrown in anger, frustration, or as a display of unsportsmanlike conduct after the race. Elaboration: General Rule: Throwing the baton at any time during or after a relay race is against the rules, according to track and field websites. Disqualification: Throwing the baton will result in the immediate disqualification of the team from the event. Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Throwing the baton is considered unsportsmanlike conduct, and can be penalized even if it doesn't directly impact the race or another competitor.
I am not arguing against a DQ, just more curious about exactly how they determine it.
"This rule applies whether the baton is thrown in anger, frustration, or as a display of unsportsmanlike conduct after the race."
What if it was none of those, just fatigue? And this text always refers to "throwing", so what if instead of handing it to the umpire, you just drop it at your feet in total exhaustion? What if instead of at your feet, just drop it 1 foot away so you can collapse? Or drop it 2 feet away? Is the as simple as "if it touches the ground you are DQ'ed"? How much discretion does the umpire have?
Uhhhh....I'm not sure what video you were watching. The dude threw (you can throw both over and under handed) the baton, and it wasn't out of exhaustion.
DON'T THROW THE BATON!!! or bring a fire extinguisher to a track meet so your dad can put out those flames on your feet from you running Soooooooooo Fast!!!
WTF!!! Come on ya'll, get a clue for goodness sake.
No. He clearly tossed the baton toward the infield. Don't make stuff up.
Look up definitions for 'throw'. There is definitely a case for not calling it a throw.
Collins Dictionary: When you throw an object that you are holding, you move your hand or arm quickly and let go of the object, so that it moves through the air.
His hand or arm didn't move quickly.
Collins Dictionary: project or cast (something) through the air, esp with a rapid motion of the arm and wrist
It's projecting if it goes down? Projecting means: Extending out above or beyond a surface or boundary.
Merriam-Webster: to propel through the air by a forward motion of the hand and arm
Sure there was a bit of forward motion, but overall sense of motion is down towards the ground gently.
Overall, I don't think it meets the intended picture of "throw" in the rule the way it is written.
All of that effort just to say nothing. If his arm didn't move rapidly how did the baton go that far? You might need to look up the definition of common sense.