Nico wins one race, with Fisher absent, the badly misinformed on this board are crowning him king. How about waiting until he makes WC team and/or medals in a global championship. Years ago someone told me not to pay much attention to LR message board. Now I see why.
Showing a great kick of 54 sec off a 8 plus min 3k. OK, and everyone is losing their mind. What was impressive was Jakob kicking a 52 seconds to win the World Championship 5K.
Nico wins one race, with Fisher absent, the badly misinformed on this board are crowning him king. How about waiting until he makes WC team and/or medals in a global championship. Years ago someone told me not to pay much attention to LR message board. Now I see why.
Nico is truly exceptional and stands out as better than Grant. I believe that Nico's capabilities and achievements will and starting to surpass those of Grant.
Nico didn't barely outkick Gilman. It was pretty convincing. Also Sam was 4th at World Indoors in the 3k. It's not like he's some spare.
And yes, the winning time in Strand's race was faster, but the last k was much faster today (2:20.67 for Young v 2:24.35 for Strand). Strand went 59.83-54.06 for his last two laps. Young was 57.59-53.74. To show that sort of gear shift and close in 25.6 when you're already running fast is special. Especially when that's exactly what he will need to do if he is to beat Fisher at USAs.
That said, I kind of agree with your larger point. Young was fantastic today. I think it's going to be him and Fisher and then a gap to everyone else at USAs in the 5k (if that is what Young runs). But Fisher and Strand are really, really good as well. The 3k is Strand's best distance and Fisher is the world indoor record holder who outkicked the Olympic 1500 champ in a 3k a few months ago. I'm not certain who wins if you put all three of them in a 3k right now, though I think I'd have Fisher/Young ahead of Strand.
I'm interested to see that a few people think Young might run just the 5k at USAs. I do think the 5k could be his better event at Worlds, but I assume he'll definitely run the 10k at USAs because he'd be kind of crazy not to, given that his path to making the team in the 10k is much easier. I think only 4 guys (including Young) have the 10k standard, so Young just has to beat one of them to make the team. The 10k is also first in the schedule (10k on Thursday, 5k on Sunday), so certainly possible to run both and give himself two chances to make the team.
Grant ran a sub-4 mile off soccer practice and a few 400s in high school and didn’t start training at altitude until he was 22. Then we saw the big jump in fitness when he came in 5th at the Olympics at 24.
Nico was training pro-like in high school and moved full time to altitude at 18. We saw a big jump in fitness last year at 21.
Nico is young and definitely has the potential to break Grant’s ARs, but everyone said Grant can run all the American records he wants but it doesn’t matter until he has the medals.
In order for Nico to surpass Grant’s accomplishments now, he’d need more than 2 bronze olympic medals.
I do think the 5k outdoor record is looking to go down this year though. Grant solo’ed half of his 12:44 off bad pacing and Nico ran 12:51 so we will see.
I am starting to believe that Nico is a dark horse medal threat at Worlds this year. He's developing a nasty kick like Rupp in his prime.
How?
He's not beating Jakob in 5k, there should be at least one Kenyan or Ethiopian medaing, and I find it tough to see him beating Fisher or any of the other bronze/silver caliber athletes
10k - Fisher, Aregawi (gold), Kejelcha or another Ethiopian, maybe even a good Ugandan?
I'm interested to see that a few people think Young might run just the 5k at USAs. I do think the 5k could be his better event at Worlds, but I assume he'll definitely run the 10k at USAs because he'd be kind of crazy not to, given that his path to making the team in the 10k is much easier. I think only 4 guys (including Young) have the 10k standard, so Young just has to beat one of them to make the team. The 10k is also first in the schedule (10k on Thursday, 5k on Sunday), so certainly possible to run both and give himself two chances to make the team.
This is true. If he makes both, I hope he scratches the 10K. It’d be real frustrating if he ends up being Woody 2.0 and runs his better distance fresh at global champs once in 4 cycles due to a scheduling quirk. Didn’t help that Woody fell in that one time. The 5K behind Jakob is wide open.
I wonder if grant is protesting the change of event structure for the LD guys. Breach of contract or something like that…
You’d have to know their contract to think there’s a breach of contract. You think a league that’s talked extensively of how it plans to be agile didn’t build in flexibility to contracts?
Nico Young is the future of the 5k and 10k. While Grant is busy doing lactate testing his Jerry training is wearing off and Young is looking to get medals. Fisher so ducked the competition
Hohoho!!
The end of the era is near for one Fisher. Hamstring injury is a harbinger of evil 👿!!
Getting injuries pre season is usual but mid season is quite obviously due to exogenous pharmaceutical burden. Fisher’s body otherwise would not give out on him mid season in a warm up, not even with all the 5g antennas turned on. 🤥
I wonder if grant is protesting the change of event structure for the LD guys. Breach of contract or something like that…
You’d have to know their contract to think there’s a breach of contract. You think a league that’s talked extensively of how it plans to be agile didn’t build in flexibility to contracts?
If Fisherer thinks he can fish his way out of a contract dispute and gain monetary award for that then he needs to look himself in the mirror and ask whether he is one deserving of it. If going by the pathological itinerary blips in the past of his he doesn’t deserve no mercy.
I agree I’m infatuated with Nico Young but it’s not because I’m homo. I straight up just find him the most sincere athlete under the most sincere coach Mike Smith in Americana history.
When Nico speaks you can find no airs about him but when Fisherer speaks he has that darkness of a glimmer in his eyeballs. My social experience tells me Fisherer is not what he is.
I prefer an authentic human experience and only my beloved Josh Kerr satisfies me at a spiritual fundamental level of existence and consciousness.
Josh makes me conscious of who I am and what it means to be. Fisherer and Shocker does not.
As a human being I need that intimate connection with my surrounding environment.
Big time, I don’t think Fisher can close like Nico just did in that 3k
Fisherer can close as fast or faster if he really doped it up perfectly. Nothing is impossible to those who wield the chemical formula card.
Nico is rising up and he is 22 which is the perfect age for being a whistling clean AR and WR holder. Fisher was at the wrong age for a WR holder and so he has to use PEDs, Nico doesn’t need it. Nico has up to 24 years of age to snag the 5k and 10k WR from the Ethiopians but I foresee it will be hard because the latter are no pushovers. The continual EMF environmental pollution in America also doesn’t help Nico’s cause.
GST website says 2:21 final K with a 25.6 last 200, absolutely monstrous
Monstrous? What’s monstrous for a slow as sh*t race 8:01? My beloved Josh Kerr would easily close an 8:01 in 2:17 or 2:18 if needed. Remember how he once closed in 25.19 running in lane 2 the whole way at last years world indoor 3k?? He could go 24.7 if he wanted to and even faster on an outdoor track. Nico is light years behind Josh still.
I'm interested to see that a few people think Young might run just the 5k at USAs. I do think the 5k could be his better event at Worlds, but I assume he'll definitely run the 10k at USAs because he'd be kind of crazy not to, given that his path to making the team in the 10k is much easier. I think only 4 guys (including Young) have the 10k standard, so Young just has to beat one of them to make the team. The 10k is also first in the schedule (10k on Thursday, 5k on Sunday), so certainly possible to run both and give himself two chances to make the team.
This is true. If he makes both, I hope he scratches the 10K. It’d be real frustrating if he ends up being Woody 2.0 and runs his better distance fresh at global champs once in 4 cycles due to a scheduling quirk. Didn’t help that Woody fell in that one time. The 5K behind Jakob is wide open.
With all due respect 🫡, why can’t you be a 10k runner with exceptional mile speed? Jakob may not always win the 5k this year or next too. Nico hasn’t doped his entire life and Mike Smith is the greatest American coach besides Danny Mackey.
Can you publicly applaud Danny and Mike first please? I haven’t seen you doing that but you do seem to defend way too many dirty coaches.
Strong feeling Nico will be asked back for LA GST. Hoping Fisher isn’t injured and is able to race.
This! I'll take grant for his word as long as he faces Nico next time ... if not this was definitely a dodge.
A successful doper who has won 2 bronzes is unlikely to fear or dodge nobody. Sure it wasn’t very verifiable for Fisherer to claim a hamstring issue using his mouth but on a balance of probabilidad I think he was saying the truth. It very well may have been a lie though.
White athletes are traditionally good liars while Ethiopian angels are traditionally very innocent and harmless. Do you really think Aregawi knows how to lie?
4a. Scottish hunk yet again demonstrates the master blueprint for finish line celebration antics. That hunk dance and pump was one level more electrifying. Add that suave brashness and a tinge of Roger Bannister works wonders.
This looks like a clause from a law book I must admit. Is it a rule that my beloved Josh Kerr needs to celebrate like a man so that he can be a great example to all celebrating men out there?
Yes I do agree Josh Kerr makes it seem like British men easily have what it takes to fulfil the unrealistic expectations surrounding masculine types.
Another thing to recall is that Graham Blanks won two straight NCAA xc titles against fields that includes Strand, Samuel, Martin, Murphy, and, oh yes, Nico Young (no NCAA xc titles) the previous year. Young has the track edge right now (1:47/3:34/3:50.9/12:51/26:52, plus this victory) because this is his second year as a pro now and he's not coming off of an injury like Blanks. Blanks (3:36/7:29.72/12:59.89/26:57.30) has closed far faster in xc than Young. He also closed his earlier 13:03 college record in 1:57. I would bet that Blanks after a full year as a pro will be showing equivalent 1500m speed.
You’d have to know their contract to think there’s a breach of contract. You think a league that’s talked extensively of how it plans to be agile didn’t build in flexibility to contracts?
If Fisherer thinks he can fish his way out of a contract dispute and gain monetary award for that then he needs to look himself in the mirror and ask whether he is one deserving of it. If going by the pathological itinerary blips in the past of his he doesn’t deserve no mercy.
I agree: “…he doesn’t deserve no mercy.” “Fisherer,” I mean.
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