Truett Haines 2:38 Boston In jeans

"You think EPO explains that? You think a few vials of test give you the mental wiring to suffer through 10,000 pullups with blood streaming down your wrists like stigmata?"

This is what a psychologist might frame as an 'appeal to mystery'. You also seem at pains to downplay the role that EPO and testosterone have played, which is somewhat telling, i.e. rather than saying "there is absolutely no way that drugs played a part in Hanes' achievement because he doesn't take them" you've essentially said "drugs don't fully explain these achievements".

"He’s too busy living in flow — building saunas at altitude, eating like a monk, and casually doing things none of you could do juiced out of your minds."

I'm not sure I'd need to be 'juiced out of my mind' to eat some plain chicken with rice.

"Truett will keep stacking feats that make your whole worldview obsolete."

That's quite a bold claim. I'm not sure Truett Hanes doing some pull-ups is going to alter my perspective on say, the conflict between Rwanda and the Congo.

The races should be testing them. Instead, we have the Eugene Marathon promoting this doping clown on their social media. (They've since deleted the post).

That's what PEDs do. They give you muscle without the mass. If they didn't, no runner would dope.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the jeans are essentially an act of psychological self-sabotage. A denim confession if you will. It's saying "It feels slightly immoral to be running past a load of clean athletes in a competitive running race whilst juiced out of my mind on 57 varieties of gear, so in order to 'level the playing field' I'll do it whilst dressed in slightly non-optimal clothing. That makes it fairer doesn't it? If anyone asks I'll say it's for the kids".

Like if I entered a cycling race with an e-bike and rationalised it to be fair by wearing a bow tie.

Ah yes, the sacred text of the anemic forum intellectual, delivered with the confidence of someone who once skimmed a pop psych article and now thinks they're a licensed mental alchemist.

“This is what a psychologist might frame as an 'appeal to mystery'.”
No, it’s what a normal person frames as “reality punching you in the gut so hard your vocabulary flinched.” You’re not invoking psychology — you’re just allergic to the idea that someone could suffer more, endure more, and transcend more than you without reducing it to your fragile biochem textbook.

Calling it “mystery” is your defense mechanism because you’ve never felt what it’s like to become pain. You’re scared of anything that can’t be measured in milligrams, because you’ve never touched that place inside yourself where the pain doesn’t stop — and you don’t want it to.

“You seem at pains to downplay the role that EPO and testosterone have played…”
No, you’re at pains because someone’s existence invalidates the story you tell yourself to sleep at night — that no one could possibly be that good unless they cheated.
This isn't an argument. It's your ego throwing a tantrum. You don't even believe in greatness unless it's pre-approved by WADA and wearing Nike singlets. If someone steps outside that frame, you have to reduce them to vials and acronyms to protect your worldview — because God forbid it's just you who’s mid.

“I’m not sure I’d need to be ‘juiced out of my mind’ to eat some plain chicken with rice.”
You're right — you don’t. You already eat like that and still look like someone’s malnourished thesis advisor.
But that wasn’t the point, and you know it. No one is impressed by rice. What’s impressive is building a monk-like system, running 100-mile weeks, living at altitude, then waking up the next day and doing it again — with bloodied hands and a smile.
You strip out context because it's the only way you can pretend you’re still in the conversation.

“That’s quite a bold claim. I’m not sure Truett Hanes doing some pull-ups is going to alter my perspective on say, the conflict between Rwanda and the Congo.”
And I’m not sure anyone asked for your TED Talk on irrelevance.
You’re not making a clever point. You’re just desperately trying to widen the playing field because you already lost on the real one. No one said Truett’s feats end war. But they do expose how emotionally dead you are to awe.
It’s not about politics. It’s about your inability to feel moved by anything that doesn’t come with a peer-reviewed footnote and a citation in Runner’s World. Imagine watching a guy do 10,000 pull-ups in a day with open wounds on his palms, and your response is, “Hmm... but I don’t think this alters my carefully maintained worldview about banned substances.”

So, just to be clear, you are saying Hanes is a clean athlete? Yes or no will suffice.

How about this, it's just a fun thing to draw attention to his marathon running. You guys are like 60 year old men with ED. No fun for you, no fun for anyone else, everyone must be miserable. I guarantee you the crowd is a lot more entertained by the jacked jeans guy running 2:30 rather than some try-hard turkey trotter in low cut shorts running a 2:45. Cry more, please.

“Just to be clear.”
That’s not a question. That’s a nervous tick.
That’s you trying to sound in control while the ground shifts under you.
You’re not asking anything. You’re hoping I give you a nice, neat answer so you can pretend you're the one steering the conversation.
But you’re not.
You’re chasing it. Like you’ve chased everything else.
Let’s be honest — you don’t care about truth.
You care about preserving the one excuse that makes your mediocrity feel acceptable: they must be cheating.
Because if they’re not — if someone like Hanes is real — then what does that make you?
Not clean.
Just… average.
And that’s what you can’t handle.
This little “yes or no” routine? It’s not logic. It’s not clarity.
It’s just you begging for a reality simple enough to keep you from falling apart.
You built your whole personality around being the honest guy.
But you’re not honest. You’re scared.
Scared of being forgotten. Scared of being ordinary.
So here’s your answer:
You don’t get one.
Because guys like you don’t want answers.
You want something to blame.

That was a rather convoluted way to say 'no' but I'll take it.

Sigh...ok he's obviously not clean but that doesn't take away from how much of a badass he is, his bod looks great in those jeans.

btw just so everyone knows this dude ran his first marathon at age 13 in 3hrs 30 mins

Of course he's clean ur just crying cause he's better than you nerd

Through the half in 1:40

So I googled that. You can't make this up. The old photos are of his dad skinny looking like a runner, running with Lance Armstrong. He's shaking his hand when Lance ran Boston post disgrace.

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The Eugene course was not the same in 2010 but I understand your point. He's potentially got some lungs from genetics and running during his teenage years. I actually think sub-2:40 is in this guy's wheelhouse naturally. Sub-2:40 is possible on the running calculators for people capable of low-16 5Ks and sub-34 10Ks. Especially with the super shoes, training resources, and nutrition available these days. I doubt this guy less than someone like Nick Bare.

It's the succession of fast times with chaotic training that throw up red flags for me. Seems too good to be true and he's potentially using PEDs to build his brand in what many of us feel is an unethical manner.

That's not cam, that's Greg Doucette.

Watching and "Topless Jeans Guy Runs" past would be a WTF moment, like the time I saw Paul Martelletti run a 2.29 marathon dressed as spider man; however, it's not in any way entertaining.

For Topless Jeans Guy I get the feeling it's more for the shorts and socials afterwards, it has nothing to do with the crowd or running community.

Shirtless Jeans Guy admitted in one post that the whole schtick is to draw attention by doing something unusual and build his brand. Also there is a toss out to a charity if you buy the jeans. He's at least honest in this respect.

But it was a very WTF moment when he ran by. Don't think the guy has interest in interacting with or contributing to the running community. Share us your training plan, strength workout, nutrition, and recovery, and I'll believe differently.

I hate the "normalization" of PEDs among age groupers. This guy contributes to it. The pros are generally at least consulting with shady medial professionals. Age groupers are generally only consulting with Anna Bolic in the back corner of the gym.

I had a body builder friend in college that brilliantly decided that adding massive amounts of cardio in addition to his lifting routine were his ticket to a Pro Card. He ramped up everything he was already on, and it caused him to experience manic episodes. During one late night episode, he was out running at 3am in the middle of the road and was the victim of a hit and run. He almost died. He suffered a life altering traumatic brain injury, and had to undergo many rounds of surgery on his leg. Neither his head nor his leg will ever be the same. The guy is a shell of his former self and will be until he dies.