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1 year ago 04/03/2025 5:56pm EDT

re: HockerUSA

HockerUSA wrote:
He continually gets outkicked in global championships over 1500m

People say that, but there is no single runner that has "continually outkicked" him.

None.

Hocker, Kerr, and Nuguse beat him in 2024, but in...

2021 Tokyo: Jakob (1) beat Kerr (3) and Hocker (6) [Nuguse not in the race]
2022 Eugene: Jakob (2) beat Kerr (5) [Hocker and Nuguse not in the race]
2023 Budapest: Jakob (2) bear Nuguse (5) and Hocker (7) [Kerr wins]

Jakob has variously beaten ALL of these guys. Kerr and Hocker repeatedly. In the last four global finals:

- Jakob beat Kerr twice, lost to Kerr twice

- Beat Hocker twice, lost to Hocker once

- Jakob beat Nuguse once, lost to Nuguse once

NOT A SINGLE RUNNER ALIVE HAS A WINNING RECORD AGAINST JAKOB IN GLOBAL FINALS.

1 year ago 04/03/2025 5:59pm EDT

re: pippystain

pippystain wrote:
Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
Well, to be fair, it is harder to win the Pre Classic mile or Monaco 1500 than it is to win World Indoors in the 1500m.
Hocker finds it easier to win Olympic Gold in the 1500m than World Indoors Gold in the 1500m.

Um... Jakob has won all of the above. 🤣

- Olympic Gold x1

- WIC x1

- Monaco 1500 x1

- Bowerman mile x3 😂😂😂😂😂

1 year ago 04/03/2025 6:04pm EDT

re: some people dont focus much

some people dont focus much wrote:
Overall resumes mean little compared to recent trends when forecasting for the future. Going into the 2012 Olympic 10k, Bekele had a much better resume than Farah (and way better resume in that event than Jakob has in the 1500). But Farah was trending up while Bekele had been trending down. Who won the race? The guy who was trending up.

This guy is comparing Cole Hocker to Mo Farah. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Before London 2012 even started, Mo Farah had a WC gold and silver from 2011, not to mention 2x gold from the 2010 European Championships.

Farah arrived in 2012 as a double WC medalist, including a WC gold.

Hocker arrives in 2025 as a guy who has won exactly one major international medal.

There is a difference between "trending up" (which Farah was) and fluking out once.

1 year ago 04/03/2025 6:08pm EDT

re: some people don't win much

some people don't win much wrote:
Jakob has variously beaten ALL of these guys, more than any of them has beaten him
In the last four global finals:
- Jakob beat Kerr twice, lost to Kerr twice
- Beat Hocker twice, lost to Hocker once
- Jakob beat Nuguse once, lost to Nuguse once
.
NOT A SINGLE RUNNER ALIVE HAS A WINNING RECORD AGAINST JAKOB IN GLOBAL FINALS.

Repeat after me:

Not...a...single...runner...alive...

1 year ago 04/03/2025 6:14pm EDT

re: some people don't win much

some people don\'t win much wrote:
Repeat after me:
Not...a...single...runner...alive...

Not a single runner alive had a winning record against Bekele in the 10k. Then he finished 4th in that event in 2012. Like Jakob in the 1500 last year!

Recent trends matter more than resumes when forecasting the future.

1 year ago 04/03/2025 6:24pm EDT

re: some people don't win much

some people don\'t win much wrote:
The point is your statement (that he lost it four years in a row) was false. Unless 2021 wasn't a year.

I said the top runner on the DL circuit lost it 4 years in a row. Since Tim easily won over Jakob in Monaco and beat him in the Zurich DL final he was that. He also had two DL victories in Doha and Stockholm. Jakob did beat him at Pre, but that was only his second DL win at 1500 to Tim’s 4.

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1 year ago 04/03/2025 7:21pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
some people don\'t win much wrote:
The point is your statement (that he lost it four years in a row) was false. Unless 2021 wasn't a year.
I said the top runner on the DL circuit lost it 4 years in a row. Since Tim easily won over Jakob in Monaco and beat him in the Zurich DL final he was that. He also had two DL victories in Doha and Stockholm. Jakob did beat him at Pre, but that was only his second DL win at 1500 to Tim’s 4.

Fair.

1 year ago 04/03/2025 7:28pm EDT

re: some people dont focus much

some people dont focus much wrote:
some people don\'t win much wrote:
Repeat after me:
Not...a...single...runner...alive...
Not a single runner alive had a winning record against Bekele in the 10k. Then he finished 4th in that event in 2012. Like Jakob in the 1500 last year!
Recent trends matter more than resumes when forecasting the future.

This guy is comparing Bekele 2012, six years past any track PB, to Jakob 2025, who has PBed in every event he has touched in the past year. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Hint #1: Bekele was getting slower by 2012.
Hint #2: Jakob isn't getting slower.

Off the top of my head, Bekele had season's bests of 12:55 and 27:02 in 2012, compared to his PBs from SIX AND SEVEN YEARS PRIOR.

HMMMM. HAS IT BEEN SIX YEARS SINCE JAKOB RAN A PB? No, it hasn't.

What an asinine comparison.

Here's a "recent trend":

Jakob has run PBs in the 1500 indoors and outdoors within the past year. (He's also 24.)

Do you see the difference between that and a 30 year-old Bekele? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Think before you post!

1 year ago 04/03/2025 7:42pm EDT

re: Abeylegesse fan

Abeylegesse fan wrote:
I don't think many people view Hocker as the favorite. Jakob, Kerr, Nuguse, Kessler, and Hocker are so close this year that it's almost a dead heat.

At this time I think the smart money is on Jacob from 1500-5k. If money were involved sentimentality would step back.

1 year ago 04/03/2025 7:49pm EDT

re: some people don't win much

some people don\'t win much wrote:
some people dont focus much wrote:
Not a single runner alive had a winning record against Bekele in the 10k. Then he finished 4th in that event in 2012. Like Jakob in the 1500 last year!
Recent trends matter more than resumes when forecasting the future.
This guy is comparing Bekele 2012, six years past any track PB, to Jakob 2025, who has PBed in every event he has touched in the past year. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Hint #1: Bekele was getting slower by 2012.
Hint #2: Jakob isn't getting slower.
Off the top of my head, Bekele had season's bests of 12:55 and 27:02 in 2012, compared to his PBs from SIX AND SEVEN YEARS PRIOR.
HMMMM. HAS IT BEEN SIX YEARS SINCE JAKOB RAN A PB? No, it hasn't.
What an asinine comparison.
Here's a "recent trend":
Jakob has run PBs in the 1500 indoors and outdoors within the past year. (He's also 24.)
Do you see the difference between that and a 30 year-old Bekele? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Think before you post!

What did Jakob’s fresh new PR do for him in Paris? Nothing! 😢

The age difference between Bekele and Farah is nearly the same as it is between Jakob and Hocker, 9 months, give or take a couple weeks. It’s not about age or recency of PRs. It’s about recent trends in where people place on the global championship level. 📈

Bekele and Jakob developed early and started winning at young ages. It took Farah and Hocker a while to catch up. But they eventually did. ⏰

Jakob is the Titanic of the 1500. A sinking ship! 🚢 ⬇️

1 year ago 04/03/2025 9:09pm EDT

re: it must be said

He has the Olympic record and is 23 years old. You have no argument that he shouldn’t be favored over Kerr going forward.

1 year ago 04/03/2025 9:21pm EDT

re: it must be said

it must be said wrote:
I’m not saying he shouldn’t be considered as an equal to the other big 2, but I don’t think you can say he’s a favorite until he wins another.

There will be no other. The first was a perfect storm of f-ups from faster runners. Never again. You’ll see.

1 year ago 04/03/2025 9:37pm EDT

re: LilFiz99

I’m not a Kerr guy but he’s beaten Jakob by .5 seconds the last two global finals, so there is a rationale to liking Kerr’s chances.

1 year ago 04/03/2025 9:47pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I’m not a Kerr guy but he’s beaten Jakob by .5 seconds the last two global finals, so there is a rationale to liking Kerr’s chances.

LilFizz was talking about Hocker

1 year ago 04/03/2025 9:48pm EDT

re: not a chance

not a chance wrote:
Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
p.s. In the 5/10K game, you have the same situation for Grant Fisher. He is one of the greatest ever but has no championship wins at the global level. That does not be he isn't great.
Sorry Ruxy Baby. You’re wrong with your comment above about Fisher being “one of the greatest ever 5/10ker”. He is far from that in global discussion. The times don’t matter as they are inflated versus years back.
He’s very, very good for this point in time. He hasn’t even won a silver yet.

Everything you just said is true. But I think Grant is going to have a phenomenal 2025 (fingers crossed)

1 year ago 04/03/2025 9:53pm EDT

re: it must be said

C’mon Josh. You were emasculated in Paris. Deal with it.

1 year ago 04/04/2025 1:07am EDT

re: jamese

jamese wrote:
Abeylegesse fan wrote:
I don't think many people view Hocker as the favorite. Jakob, Kerr, Nuguse, Kessler, and Hocker are so close this year that it's almost a dead heat.
At this time I think the smart money is on Jacob from 1500-5k. If money were involved sentimentality would step back.

Good post.

All these guys are glazing Hocker on the forum, but if they had to bet real money on him they would be crying.

1 year ago 04/04/2025 1:13am EDT

re: some people dont focus much

some people dont focus much wrote:
some people don\'t win much wrote:
This guy is comparing Bekele 2012, six years past any track PB, to Jakob 2025, who has PBed in every event he has touched in the past year. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Bekele and Jakob developed early and started winning at young ages. It took Farah and Hocker a while to catch up. But they eventually did. ⏰
Jakob is the Titanic of the 1500. A sinking ship! 🚢 ⬇️

Were you even following track during Bekele's career?

He had been downsliding for YEARS before 2012. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jakob's last few years have included:

2021: Olympic gold 🥇

2022: WC Silver 🥈

2023: WC silver 🥈

2024: PBs in all distances

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Comparing 2025 Jakob to 2012 Bekele is pure clownery.

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

1 year ago 04/04/2025 1:14am EDT

re: Ummmno

Ummmno wrote:
it must be said wrote:
I’m not saying he shouldn’t be considered as an equal to the other big 2, but I don’t think you can say he’s a favorite until he wins another.
There will be no other. The first was a perfect storm of f-ups from faster runners. Never again. You’ll see.

This.

If not for his one global win he would have literally no major international wins... ever.

Not a track record to bet on.

1 year ago 04/04/2025 1:17am EDT

re: some people don't win much

some people don\'t win much wrote:
Jakob's last few years have included:
2021: Olympic gold 🥇
2022: WC Silver 🥈
2023: WC silver 🥈

(This is in his second-best event, of course. The one where no runner alive has a winning record against him in championship races. He is even more dominant in the 5000.)

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