Klecker 25 x 400 in 64-65

ChatLRC wrote:

Badcompany wrote:

This board is a joke. Now sub 27 10k pace is a threshold workout. 😂😂😂

Reminds me of a thread about a year ago in which the poster asked people which races they ran over the past year. The thread got about responses, the poster correctly concluded that most people here don’t even run.

What kind of workout do you call 400s at 10K pace with 30 seconds recovery? I think it's typical for pacing of the short intervals that people sometimes do on double threshold days. It's obviously faster than the pace you would run 1K reps, but that's always the case for big-volume 400s. The pace is somewhere between Vo2max and threshold, or I and T. You can call it CV. I still think of it as a threshold workout when it's 6 miles of work significantly slower than Vo2max.

Badcompany wrote:

64-65 is 4:16-4:20 pace. It’s the equivalent of running a 56:20 Half. It’s not threshold pace. It’s in the range of 5K-10k pace depending on whether he’s in peak shape.

Badcompany wrote:

ChatLRC wrote:

What kind of workout do you call 400s at 10K pace with 30 seconds recovery? I think it's typical for pacing of the short intervals that people sometimes do on double threshold days. It's obviously faster than the pace you would run 1K reps, but that's always the case for big-volume 400s. The pace is somewhere between Vo2max and threshold, or I and T. You can call it CV. I still think of it as a threshold workout when it's 6 miles of work significantly slower than Vo2max.

He just ran a Half at 4:42 pace. How the F is 4:16-4:20 Threshold?

ChatLRC wrote:

Badcompany wrote:

He just ran a Half at 4:42 pace. How the F is 4:16-4:20 Threshold?

So what is the primary purpose of 25x400 @ 10K pace with 30" recovery if it's not to improve LT? Genuine question.

JK RE Ronaldo DaCosta wrote:

16-20 x 400 at 105% of LTV (about 3-4 secs. per 400 faster than LTV)/20-25 secs. rest periods. This workout gets to the upper limit of the training zone which works on raising the LT, and it actually approaches the speed which trains the VO2max. Its effect on LTV results mainly from the very short rest periods. The pace involved is a little faster than 10K pace for most runners, and people slower than 35:00 for 10,000 should tend toward 16 reps rather than 20 (some worldclass runners do more than 20) at this pace.

pretty damn good imgo wrote:

5 sets of 5

30 seconds between reps

3 min between sets

all at 64-55

pretty good imho

Link:www.strava.com/activities/13853738696

Badcompany wrote:

ChatLRC wrote:

What kind of workout do you call 400s at 10K pace with 30 seconds recovery? I think it's typical for pacing of the short intervals that people sometimes do on double threshold days. It's obviously faster than the pace you would run 1K reps, but that's always the case for big-volume 400s. The pace is somewhere between Vo2max and threshold, or I and T. You can call it CV. I still think of it as a threshold workout when it's 6 miles of work significantly slower than Vo2max.

64-65 is 4:16-4:20 pace. It’s the equivalent of running a 56:20 Half. It’s not threshold pace. It’s in the range of 5K-10k pace depending on whether he’s in peak shape.

He just ran a Half at 4:42 pace. How the F is 4:16-4:20 Threshold?

longjacksss wrote:

Badcompany wrote:

64-65 is 4:16-4:20 pace. It’s the equivalent of running a 56:20 Half. It’s not threshold pace. It’s in the range of 5K-10k pace depending on whether he’s in peak shape.

He just ran a Half at 4:42 pace. How the F is 4:16-4:20 Threshold?

ya

i made that point and upvoted zero, and down voted six

looks like these basics are outside the "norm" here, or those random people that are around

its a basic point to consider

what is the point of the workout exactly?

longjacksss wrote:

Badcompany wrote:

64-65 is 4:16-4:20 pace. It’s the equivalent of running a 56:20 Half. It’s not threshold pace. It’s in the range of 5K-10k pace depending on whether he’s in peak shape.

He just ran a Half at 4:42 pace. How the F is 4:16-4:20 Threshold?

ya

i made that point and upvoted zero, and down voted six

looks like these basics are outside the "norm" here, or those random people that are around

its a basic point to consider

what is the point of the workout exactly?

Badcompany wrote:

longjacksss wrote:

ya

i made that point and upvoted zero, and down voted six

looks like these basics are outside the "norm" here, or those random people that are around

its a basic point to consider

what is the point of the workout exactly?

IMO, the point of ANY workout is to get some race pace volume. Obviously there are different ways to do this, vis a vis interval length(time), pace and rest period and type.

In this case, they chose to do essentially 25 x 1 min reps at a pace in the 5K-10K range.

I guess you can argue that doing this much volume at a pace quicker than half marathon will make half pace seem easier.

Klecker hater wrote:

Threads like this make me take an extended break from LetsRun. I’ll see you guys in April.

Badcompany wrote:

ChatLRC wrote:

The issue for me is that threshold workouts like this are not "pretty good" or impressive or great or terrible. They are by definition manageable workouts that are either done at the correct pace for the individual or slightly or terribly off the correct pace. Only he and his coach have a sense of whether a threshold workout was a good one.

This board is a joke. Now sub 27 10k pace is a threshold workout. 😂😂😂

Reminds me of a thread about a year ago in which the poster asked people which races they ran over the past year. The thread got about responses, the poster correctly concluded that most people here don’t even run.

MatthewXCountry wrote:

Badcompany wrote:

This board is a joke. Now sub 27 10k pace is a threshold workout. 😂😂😂

Reminds me of a thread about a year ago in which the poster asked people which races they ran over the past year. The thread got about responses, the poster correctly concluded that most people here don’t even run.

Yeah ... I also was thinking that ... threshold, is 1hr race pace. So for elites, it is roughly half marathon race pace, not 10k race pace. This workout would be at threshold pace for Kiplimo, Kejelcha, or Cheptegei, but not for Klecker.

rappatic wrote:

Kiplimo just ran this pace for 13.1 miles straight. Why are we even discussing Klecker anymore? He just doesn't have what it takes to make US teams or be relevant anymore.

Clocktower wrote:

Aren’t we done with this klecker guy yet?

I mean, c’mon man.

OACiscooked wrote:

ah yes, another great workout from OAC. Lets see how many weeks until he gets another injury... If your training group is flooded with injuries every year you're doing something wrong..