Ncaa mile record on watch at BU

king999 wrote:

First of all Strand is 22 and 3 plus months. These things are not hard to look up. The only reason they could closed so absurdly fast, is that the fractions were moderate for a 7:30 effort. they are not closing as fast if they are out further on the edge so to speak. You should know this, I don't know why people are holding on to some notion that:

1. They could have gone faster if they were out faster, they easily could have backed up off much faster, certainly not closing in 2:24 I believe?

2. That they could have gone faster when they ran numbers 2 and 4 All time U.S. Indoors crushing the CR. Did you see the race, they were screaming fast the last 1000 and 200 especially, that is not happening off of lower 1600 and 2K fractions, it's just the way it works, I am not making it up to suit and argument.

3. I keep hearing this monster kicker argument? Give me one guy who was as fast or faster(than his 3:35.x 15 ) that he has kicked down in a 1500 or mile? I tried to find them. he has beaten guys he should.

His best "kick" ever was in beating Wolfe, his best by far at any distance. He is extremely talented, I would say he would have a better chance at sub 3:50, if he had any other absurd down distance mark, I cannot even find a 1:47.00.

3K is a completely different event/thing than a sub 3:50 mile. The mile has been competed at a high level far far more than the 3K and there are only 10 guys who have broken 3:50 in the U.S. only two of them Indoors, ever.

BrighamOLD wrote:

Peach Pit wrote:

Don't forget to put Parker Wolfe on that list lol he ran 7:30 too. I'm sure Blanks is in the same league since he just broke 13. Still he was top 10 at the Olympics so still great company.

I was thinking of primarily 1500m runners but threw in fisher because it would be impossible to overlook him. Yes Wolfe can run 7:30 but Strand is a miler which is why I believe he can break the NCAA mile record. Blanks would be interesting to see, I still think his ceiling lies in the 10K and marathon, hopefully he makes an early transition to the marathon and it isn't seen as a failure because really the only way we will have an american man competitive on the world stage is by sending our top collegians straight to the roads, not spitting them out onto it when they lose their track legs (ie kincaid, klecker, etc) look at the success mantz has had by going straight to the roads and Blanks is even more talented than Mantz

Peach Pit wrote:

king999 wrote:

Ok, so now he is gonna run faster than Kessler did last year, who was on way to 3:29.x 5th in Olympics, and 1:43.64? Look at the list of College 3K guys, every guy on it is a better 5K runner proportionately than a miler.

We have differing opinions on this. Running off of 2:22, if they actually run that to 1000 , more like 2:23, when you have never run under 2:20 for 1000 or even 1:46.is not as easy as some on here seem to think. You don't see 3:50 as "out there" for him? It's Out there for anybody in the U.S. 4 guys ever have run under. That ain't many.

We just disagree, Strand is a"miler known for his kick?" By whom? he hasn't really ever beaten anyone of note with it. he was 9th in NCAA final, and 12th in Trials final, 4th Indoors NCAA. I cannot even find an 800M mark for him under 1:49 going two seasons back. I think monster 3K efforts indicate much better 5K talent than 1500, that's all.

We shall see...7;30 indicates 7:30 , and more 5K success than mile/1500 ..not one guy on U.S. or College list other than Nuguse is a World Class Miler/1500 guy. sub 3:50 would be that at this point. 10 guys all time, maybe 11 have ever broken 3:50.00

You must have missed me predicting Strand will run sub-3:30 this year, so yeah, maybe he will run faster than Kessler did

Why would 3:50 be out there for a 7:30 guy? That's like right in line with each other. Sure only 4 US guys have done it, but his 3k is top 4 all time US, and 2nd indoors behind only Yared Nuguse, who is definitely far better at the mile than the 5k, and ran 3:47 right after running 7:28.

I've always known Strand as a miler known for his kick. My HS coach told us during my junior year XC camp "Strand has a great kick, so you have to get out in front of him and run it out of him so he can't kick by you at the end" which is good advice generally, but Strand had just run like 4:08 as a sophomore, and I think the best guy on our team had a 4:30ish pb lol. I also knew him for winning the 800/1600/3200 triple at every indoor and outdoor state meet for 4 years (he might have only won 2 his freshman year idr). He was also the best guy in XC fwiw. I understand why you think he has more 5k potential, but his 1500 has always been WAY better than his 5k times, and generally better or equal to his 3k times. I just think that trend will keep going.

Yeah, sub-3:50 is certainly world class, but so is a 7:30 3k. And we've seen from Hocker, Garcia Romo, Nuguse, Adam Spencer, etc that if you're at the top of the NCAA, you're one of the best in the world. Wolfe beat Blanks at the OTs and Blanks was top 10 at the Olympics. Strand was basically as good as Wolfe in XC and in that 3k.

Peach Pit wrote:

king999 wrote:

Ok, so now he is gonna run faster than Kessler did last year, who was on way to 3:29.x 5th in Olympics, and 1:43.64? Look at the list of College 3K guys, every guy on it is a better 5K runner proportionately than a miler.

We have differing opinions on this. Running off of 2:22, if they actually run that to 1000 , more like 2:23, when you have never run under 2:20 for 1000 or even 1:46.is not as easy as some on here seem to think. You don't see 3:50 as "out there" for him? It's Out there for anybody in the U.S. 4 guys ever have run under. That ain't many.

We just disagree, Strand is a"miler known for his kick?" By whom? he hasn't really ever beaten anyone of note with it. he was 9th in NCAA final, and 12th in Trials final, 4th Indoors NCAA. I cannot even find an 800M mark for him under 1:49 going two seasons back. I think monster 3K efforts indicate much better 5K talent than 1500, that's all.

We shall see...7;30 indicates 7:30 , and more 5K success than mile/1500 ..not one guy on U.S. or College list other than Nuguse is a World Class Miler/1500 guy. sub 3:50 would be that at this point. 10 guys all time, maybe 11 have ever broken 3:50.00

You must have missed me predicting Strand will run sub-3:30 this year, so yeah, maybe he will run faster than Kessler did

Why would 3:50 be out there for a 7:30 guy? That's like right in line with each other. Sure only 4 US guys have done it, but his 3k is top 4 all time US, and 2nd indoors behind only Yared Nuguse, who is definitely far better at the mile than the 5k, and ran 3:47 right after running 7:28.

I've always known Strand as a miler known for his kick. My HS coach told us during my junior year XC camp "Strand has a great kick, so you have to get out in front of him and run it out of him so he can't kick by you at the end" which is good advice generally, but Strand had just run like 4:08 as a sophomore, and I think the best guy on our team had a 4:30ish pb lol. I also knew him for winning the 800/1600/3200 triple at every indoor and outdoor state meet for 4 years (he might have only won 2 his freshman year idr). He was also the best guy in XC fwiw. I understand why you think he has more 5k potential, but his 1500 has always been WAY better than his 5k times, and generally better or equal to his 3k times. I just think that trend will keep going.

Yeah, sub-3:50 is certainly world class, but so is a 7:30 3k. And we've seen from Hocker, Garcia Romo, Nuguse, Adam Spencer, etc that if you're at the top of the NCAA, you're one of the best in the world. Wolfe beat Blanks at the OTs and Blanks was top 10 at the Olympics. Strand was basically as good as Wolfe in XC and in that 3k.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

We could probably remember the record is held by Cooper Teare, who while really good at that time was not some mythical figure in the mile. BU might be marginally faster than Arkansas. I feel some posters are putting 3:50 on a pedestal. Green just ran it in a win on the flat 300m surface. Strand ran a better mark in 7:30. It's possible he's a tweener but so was Teare at that time. Now he is strong enough he is a 5,000m guy. Even if you're a tweener and not quick enough for 1500m championship races/prelims, you can still time trial a good mile. Plenty of examples of that. Execution is another thing, but I would be shocked if a healthy Strand doesn't easily go under 3:51/3:34 in the next 5 months.

EDIT: As for the Murphy thing, it seems Strand has come further along on the strength side of things. Yes, they're close in XC, but Murphy was well ahead at NCAA XC in 2023, now Strand beats him by 2.7s. My money's on Strand to have the edge now especially after he blasted a 7:30 which is frankly better than Murphy's 13:10. Yes I get the racing dynamics in that one, but I believe you put Strand/Wolfe in that 5,000 they're hanging right on Blanks maybe until a couple laps to go.

1500m-enthusiast wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

We could probably remember the record is held by Cooper Teare, who while really good at that time was not some mythical figure in the mile. BU might be marginally faster than Arkansas. I feel some posters are putting 3:50 on a pedestal. Green just ran it in a win on the flat 300m surface. Strand ran a better mark in 7:30. It's possible he's a tweener but so was Teare at that time. Now he is strong enough he is a 5,000m guy. Even if you're a tweener and not quick enough for 1500m championship races/prelims, you can still time trial a good mile. Plenty of examples of that. Execution is another thing, but I would be shocked if a healthy Strand doesn't easily go under 3:51/3:34 in the next 5 months.

EDIT: As for the Murphy thing, it seems Strand has come further along on the strength side of things. Yes, they're close in XC, but Murphy was well ahead at NCAA XC in 2023, now Strand beats him by 2.7s. My money's on Strand to have the edge now especially after he blasted a 7:30 which is frankly better than Murphy's 13:10. Yes I get the racing dynamics in that one, but I believe you put Strand/Wolfe in that 5,000 they're hanging right on Blanks maybe until a couple laps to go.

I couldn't have said it better myself, thanks for putting it into words. Great point on Teare being a tweener - I don't think any of us would disagree here.

I also want to add on to how someone mentioned Adam Fogg running 3:49i last year which is another telling example. He isn't exactly lightning quick at 800 (1:47) and his 5000m isn't insane either (13:10), and I doubt he would be close to 7:30.

Definitely think it's crazy how 3:50 is being treated as some sort of unassailable time here.