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I would take that a step further and say humanity is essentially a circus full of performers that don't want you to know what they do/take behind closed doors.

66% of American adults are taking at least one prescribed medication and they do so because they believe it makes them a better, healthier, more vitality filled version of themself.

Competitive business is filled with successful people using all sorts of stimulants, hormones, etc. and they absolutely benefit from it financially on average.

I'm not saying it's right to use drugs, but ffs it's absolutely insane to think we can remove drugs from one very specific part of society, but be ok with it everywhere else.

that was quick. You said she did. maybe she puked it up later, but, too late, the nandro was already flowing.

I said she did what? The only thing I would have said is what the CAS wrote: "It was so rich and greasy that she was not able to finish it (she believes she ate about three-quarters of it)."

We’ll have to wait and see how she actually performs, but if she can be close to the same fitness as Valby, Cranny, etc then she might be a favorite to make the team given she probably has the strongest kick in the field

I am curious to see how her competitors handle her beating them. The younger crowd are so PC I believe they will give her enthusiastic hugs, defend her as having served her punishment, and pretend all is great (and then fume in private).

Iirc, I said she didn't eat enough to get the #s she did- "normal", whatever - she would need to eat 3, then you said she ate the whole thing.

Anyway, I still say, No way would an elite endurance athlete with apparently single-digit body fat crush a whole super greasy burrito. Have you ever hung out with an elite endurance athlete?

I was an endurance athlete, and also hung around many. In the off-season, we were not all that concerned about our diets. And, as you and others have made clear to me, this athlete ordered a dry carne asada burrito. She and others testified that they couldn't "crush a whole super greasy burrito" -- so maybe that part is right.

I never said "she ate the whole thing", so you surely recall that part wrong. I would have said what the CAS said -- "about three-quarters of it", and have said many times that as little as half an ounce (14 grams) would be sufficient to produce these "usual" values "in the low ng/ml range".

What you recall yourself saying is one of several things that were wrong about this case. Based on values seen in "the literature" (i.e. 130 and 160 ng/ml), from very small sample sizes not necessarily looking for a maximum, just from two of Prof. Ayotte's own papers, it would be sufficient to eat as little as half an ounce (14 grams) of nandrolone rich offal, including fat in a greasy burrito. Recall WADA called these numbers "usual" and "in the low ng/ml range". The concentrated nandrolone in offal could have easily been chopped up and cooked with the greasy pork meat, or ground up in chorizo. These possibilities were not addressed in testimony that was inexplicably limited to pork meat and stomach.

So many lies and deflections again. Will you never stop? The claim was offal, not chorizo. Read the CAS report.

And no, for the 1000th time, the "testimony" was not "inexplicably limited to pork meat and stomach", it was limited to outer stomach muscle because that's what the food truck owner bought, as investigated by Shelburrito's PI.

Give it up, the ban will not be reversed, and everything was done by the books. Nothing was wrong about this case.

She doesn't look to be that low in body fat %. She looks healthy and strong but she isn't shredded. Based on the eye test Emma Coburn has one of the lowest body fat % of American middle distance/distance runners.

She was one of the most tested American athletes during her ban

I never started the lies and deflections.

On your advice, I just re-read the CAS report. The claim (as paraphrased to us by the CAS) was "the 19-NA entered her body by eating a burrito" and that "that the burrito was the only possible source of the 19-NA in the Sample". It seems that the substantive claim before the AIU, as understood by the CAS, was not limited to meat and stomach, unlike the inexplicable expert witness testimony, but inclusive of all of the edible parts of non-castrated male pigs that can be found in a greasy burrito served by the foodtruck.

Chorizo is pork sausage, which can also include offal, and grease. Logically, a burrito containing chorizo containing offal, is also a burrito containing offal, by the transitive property. Therefore, chorizo is a potential source of higher concentrations of nandrolone, from other sources that the "expert witnesses" told us about, in addition to the low concentrations found in pork meat and outer stomach.

Which book are you referring to? Is that the book that Tygart says railroads innocent athletes who have done nothing wrong to 4-year bans, and treats them like intentional cheats? That book? Do you remember when Tygart said "he's more skeptical of the rival doping agency and the way it handled this case than he is of Houlihan." Me too.

Speaking of doing things by the book, one of the CAS panelists was persuaded that everything was not done by the book. In any case, doing it by the book doesn't say the book is right when it railroads innocent athletes to 4-year bans, not based on "facts are facts", but based on presumptions, for which rebuttals are well-known by WADA to be difficult to provide.

So she's in 14:20 shape?

Shelby's haters after return:

She runs well: SEE SHES A DOPER

She runs poorly: SEE SHE CAN"T DO IT OFF THE SAUCE

You are presuming she ordered a beef burrito and got a wild pork testical burrito. You are presuming she ate said burrito with a very high concentration of synthetic nandrolone. You are presuming she ate 3/4 of the burrito. You are presuming her friends didn't lie about the greasy burrito she received and ate even though she ordered a beef burrito. You are presuming the wild teste burrito had added wild teste pork nandro-rich fat (from a different source) added to the burrito....

Very similar to a class Coach JI workout of 20x400 at 5k pace with 1:20 rest.

Differences: 9000m rather than 8000m of work, similar recovery, and letting the wheels spin to finish.

Come on, you literally laughed out loud when you wrote "I never started the lies and deflections."!

Your lies just in that post I was citing before include "one of several things that were wrong about this case", "testimony that was inexplicably limited to pork meat and stomach", plus all the deflections about 130 ng/ml, "as little as half an ounce (14 grams)", Chorizo and what not.

I just explained to you, again, that there was nothing "inexplicable" about that testimony, and now you are doubling down again on your stupid lie.

Try to understand this: Shelburrito claimed offal from a specific food truck. As "specific and concrete elements", she provided to AIU/WA/CAS the invoice over pork stomach and meat as ingredients. To her credit, and to your dismay and discredit, she never ever claimed that her offal included any nandrolone-rich ingredients such as testicles. Facts are facts. Therefore the expert testimony was logically "limited to pork meat and stomach".

This case is about a specific food truck serving a specific offal with specific ingredients, namely "pork meat and stomach", as you put it. Whatever else you may find on the internet is completely irrelevant here.

Try to let this sink in from the independent scientist Tucker, here on letsrun, where he clearly explains why:

"So yes, based on what we see in the Reasoned Decision, it’s a pretty clear case."

Finally, you are not citing Tygart with the unsubstantiated "he's more skeptical...". You are citing a BTC/Nike fan paraphrasing what Tygart allegedly said (note the "he"). His "by the book(s)" on the other hand is straight from his mouth, however, very much to your dismay and discredit.

It's funny that people still think that if you pass tests you are clean.

I don't think it means you are clean. I think the more someone is tested, the more likely they are to get busted for doping. There are lots of American athletes who just haven't been caught.

You said "she would need to eat 3" "to get the #s she did". I only need to presume what the CAS wrote in its report, in light of Prof. Ayotte's own research, and Prof. McGlone's explanation about where to find nandrolone in offal, to conclude that she doesn't need to eat three to get values "in the low ng/ml range" that WADA calls "usual".