Colin Sahlman Ridiculous 600/400 double

Kickers usually win wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Every runner is different. Mo was a 5K guy with speed that could take him down to 1500 and endurance that went up to 10K. He wasn’t the same caliber at HM/Marathon. He wouldn’t have fared well in the 800 or 400.

So far Sahlman has shown better results at 800 than distances above the mile. That could change obviously, but it hasn’t quite translated in XC yet and we haven’t seen a reason to think he’d be exceptional at the 5,000. Obviously he’d be good.

It was dumb that Brosnan had Sahlman run 800m multiple times. He probably isn’t even in the top 20 all-time for the 800m, but he would have had a very good chance of taking down Verzbicas’s 2-mile time. Obviously the best XC runner in the nation would have been good at distances above a mile. He did run an 8:36 conversion from 3200m, which a better performance than his 800m best.

Natha wrote:

mictlantecuhtli wrote:

1. 1:17 is subpar for a 44.2/1:50 runner

2. He's a high schooler, so running 1:17 at that level is more impressive anyway

Nobody was impressed with Quincy’s 1:17 by itself. He ran 1:17 last year a full year younger.

We were impressed with the fact he ran the first 200m in 22.5. Which is the worst way to run the 600m and he still managed to run 1:17. His 22.5 indicates 1:15 high potential. The potential is what people are excited about.

With that, I’m mostly impressed with the potential of Colin’s 400m.

A 48.6 by itself isn’t that impressive. Almost every guy who made the finals in the Olympics can do that so most 1500m runners except Jakob can probably run that.

But Colin did it his first track meet of the year, in January, which indicates he can probably run 47-low in July / August, outside, while peaking.

The low 47 potential is what I’m excited about.

Tvir wrote:

Natha wrote:

Nobody was impressed with Quincy’s 1:17 by itself. He ran 1:17 last year a full year younger.

We were impressed with the fact he ran the first 200m in 22.5. Which is the worst way to run the 600m and he still managed to run 1:17. His 22.5 indicates 1:15 high potential. The potential is what people are excited about.

With that, I’m mostly impressed with the potential of Colin’s 400m.

A 48.6 by itself isn’t that impressive. Almost every guy who made the finals in the Olympics can do that so most 1500m runners except Jakob can probably run that.

But Colin did it his first track meet of the year, in January, which indicates he can probably run 47-low in July / August, outside, while peaking.

The low 47 potential is what I’m excited about.

This is an example of how ridiculous this thread is, and I don’t mean to single you out, as this thread is full of stupid takes. Colin will NEVER run a low 47 open 400m, as he ran this at high altitude, which helps, and he is 21 years old and in his prime for sprinting. So trust me on this, Colin is not going to be running 47.2, for example, in an open 400m. He doesn’t need to in order to be a very good middle distance runner.

Tvir wrote:

Natha wrote:

Nobody was impressed with Quincy’s 1:17 by itself. He ran 1:17 last year a full year younger.

We were impressed with the fact he ran the first 200m in 22.5. Which is the worst way to run the 600m and he still managed to run 1:17. His 22.5 indicates 1:15 high potential. The potential is what people are excited about.

With that, I’m mostly impressed with the potential of Colin’s 400m.

A 48.6 by itself isn’t that impressive. Almost every guy who made the finals in the Olympics can do that so most 1500m runners except Jakob can probably run that.

But Colin did it his first track meet of the year, in January, which indicates he can probably run 47-low in July / August, outside, while peaking.

The low 47 potential is what I’m excited about.

This is an example of how ridiculous this thread is, and I don’t mean to single you out, as this thread is full of stupid takes. Colin will NEVER run a low 47 open 400m, as he ran this at high altitude, which helps, and he is 21 years old and in his prime for sprinting. So trust me on this, Colin is not going to be running 47.2, for example, in an open 400m. He doesn’t need to in order to be a very good middle distance runner.

Tvir wrote:

Natha wrote:

Nobody was impressed with Quincy’s 1:17 by itself. He ran 1:17 last year a full year younger.

We were impressed with the fact he ran the first 200m in 22.5. Which is the worst way to run the 600m and he still managed to run 1:17. His 22.5 indicates 1:15 high potential. The potential is what people are excited about.

With that, I’m mostly impressed with the potential of Colin’s 400m.

A 48.6 by itself isn’t that impressive. Almost every guy who made the finals in the Olympics can do that so most 1500m runners except Jakob can probably run that.

But Colin did it his first track meet of the year, in January, which indicates he can probably run 47-low in July / August, outside, while peaking.

The low 47 potential is what I’m excited about.

This is an example of how ridiculous this thread is, and I don’t mean to single you out, as this thread is full of stupid takes. Colin will NEVER run a low 47 open 400m, as he ran this at high altitude, which helps, and he is 21 years old and in his prime for sprinting. So trust me on this, Colin is not going to be running 47.2, for example, in an open 400m. He doesn’t need to in order to be a very good middle distance runner.

Natha wrote:

Tvir wrote:

This is an example of how ridiculous this thread is, and I don’t mean to single you out, as this thread is full of stupid takes. Colin will NEVER run a low 47 open 400m, as he ran this at high altitude, which helps, and he is 21 years old and in his prime for sprinting. So trust me on this, Colin is not going to be running 47.2, for example, in an open 400m. He doesn’t need to in order to be a very good middle distance runner.

I know you seem to comfortable with putting limits on people. But I want to deconstruct this a bit for you.

Let’s pretend Colin was a 400m runner exclusively.

Let’s say Colin Sahlman had never run an ANY race over 400m. So the only results we had ever seen from him were 400s.

So you have a 400m guy that runs 46.9r as a college sophomore with 2 more years left in college. If that guy stated he wanted to run 47.4 in the open - no one would think of it as ridiculous.

The only reason you think of it as ridiculous is because you think of Colin as a distance runner. His 400m results though, indicate a lot of potential.

Tvir wrote:

Natha wrote:

I know you seem to comfortable with putting limits on people. But I want to deconstruct this a bit for you.

Let’s pretend Colin was a 400m runner exclusively.

Let’s say Colin Sahlman had never run an ANY race over 400m. So the only results we had ever seen from him were 400s.

So you have a 400m guy that runs 46.9r as a college sophomore with 2 more years left in college. If that guy stated he wanted to run 47.4 in the open - no one would think of it as ridiculous.

The only reason you think of it as ridiculous is because you think of Colin as a distance runner. His 400m results though, indicate a lot of potential.

I am not interested in relay splits. Colin has run 48.63, and please correct me if I am wrong, he had already raced a 600m, but this was done on a 300m track at over 6800 feet. So we can say that this was worth slower than 48.63, but we can also perhaps say this is offset by having already contested the 600m. So yes Colin could one day run 48 flat or so, but anything faster seems to be a huge leap in assumptions.

Natha wrote:

mictlantecuhtli wrote:

1. 1:17 is subpar for a 44.2/1:50 runner

2. He's a high schooler, so running 1:17 at that level is more impressive anyway

Nobody was impressed with Quincy’s 1:17 by itself. He ran 1:17 last year a full year younger.

We were impressed with the fact he ran the first 200m in 22.5. Which is the worst way to run the 600m and he still managed to run 1:17. His 22.5 indicates 1:15 high potential. The potential is what people are excited about.

With that, I’m mostly impressed with the potential of Colin’s 400m.

A 48.6 by itself isn’t that impressive. Almost every guy who made the finals in the Olympics can do that so most 1500m runners except Jakob can probably run that.

But Colin did it his first track meet of the year, in January, which indicates he can probably run 47-low in July / August, outside, while peaking.

The low 47 potential is what I’m excited about.

Natha wrote:

Tvir wrote:

I am not interested in relay splits. Colin has run 48.63, and please correct me if I am wrong, he had already raced a 600m, but this was done on a 300m track at over 6800 feet. So we can say that this was worth slower than 48.63, but we can also perhaps say this is offset by having already contested the 600m. So yes Colin could one day run 48 flat or so, but anything faster seems to be a huge leap in assumptions.

You may not be interested in relay splits, but he ran a verified sub 47 with the stick.

A running start doesn’t give you 1.1s. His performance on that relay was already a better performance than the 48 flat you say he eventually run.

The problem is that there is no way in hell he would run a 400m race in August.

As this is such a far departure from his actual real race, it would be a waste of sorts to chase an open 400m PR when he could chase a PR at his main events on that same day.