Depends on age. If that were in high school, you could get recruited nearly anywhere. You probably wouldn't improve much but could be a worthy tradeoff
I did that for 6 years just to get to the 14:40s. Not possible to do with kinds and a full time job though, not because of time but for recovery reasons.
I spent 5 years running 100 MPW in a group of 5 - 10 guys in our 40s. We ran about 3 marathons per year around 3:30. None of us could break 20 minutes for 5k but we had a great time. So my answer is of course I woukd run 100 MPW to break 14:00. I would run 100 MPW to break 18 minutes.
That is amazing. +14 miles a day, every day?
I just don't have time after work and before dinner/kids/family/wife to run 14 miles EVERY day.
I could do the 20 miler long run, and a bunch of 10 milers, but that doesn't get me to 100M. It doesn't help that it gets dark in the Winter at like 4:30 every day.
I guess I could try it in the Summer, but I don't think I would survive at this age...
I think it also has to do with how busy you are when you aren't running. With a wife, three kids, a job, and social/family commitments, it is easy to see how "finding an hour" can be tough and finding two hours is impossible.
For 20 years straight I think I was going to back-to-school nights, kid's concerts, kids sports events, family dinners, etc.
I still ran on all those days, but carving out 2 hours is hard. Finding 45 minutes for 6-7 miles was not as hard. It just became a work-life-running-resting balancing act.
How could you struggle at sub-5 pace but run sub-15 for 5km? If you can run 14:xx then you are easily running sub-5 pace...
Maybe you have not run a 5K? Its a gut buster and if your best is 15 min, i would say sub 5 PACE isnt easy at all. As a matter of fact it would be literally your limit, not running "easily".
Fair enough... But when I was in my best 5km shape, sub-15 was still out of reach, but I could do my intervals in sub-5 (for repeats). I thought that was pretty common.
Different limiting factors for sure... For me, it was not being able to hold that sub-5 pace after about the 3km mark. I was so bad.
100 Mile weeks were easy. Anything over 100 is tough. I ran them in High school and college and never got hurt on a 100 mile week. An easy day jog less than 98 minutes. With a warm up It is a two hour workout on an easy day.
I trained incorrectly. I struggled miserably at sub 5 minute pace and could go sub 15 minute with a good kick. I could jog a marathon pretty easily.
I was one of the slowest people in the world with zero or no fast twitch muscle fiber in the legs.
Yes I would take the offer 14:00M would likely drop my 10K time by two minutes. I would be competitive in todays era. Living the dream.
I'm 67, but 40 years ago, I would have run 100miles per week for 14:00 level of ability - which would also get me 3:43 1500m; 7:56 3000m; 29:02 10k and 64:45 half.
At that I'd have won an awful lot of races as a club runner in England back then.
Maybe you have not run a 5K? Its a gut buster and if your best is 15 min, i would say sub 5 PACE isnt easy at all. As a matter of fact it would be literally your limit, not running "easily".
Fair enough... But when I was in my best 5km shape, sub-15 was still out of reach, but I could do my intervals in sub-5 (for repeats). I thought that was pretty common.
Different limiting factors for sure... For me, it was not being able to hold that sub-5 pace after about the 3km mark. I was so bad.
I could relate to that. I ran 3000m in 8:45 with a 60 last 400m, but always found 5000m a stretch (best 15:22). Even when I was running just outside 16:00 for 5k in my late 30s, I could do 3x1 mile in 5:00.
I rarely ran doubles. I didn't like them. It seemed like a waste jogging a few miles.
I ran a whole bunch of 100 mile weeks in high school and college with two hard interval workouts.
Warning this may be harmful to your health.
In college I did have at least 2 seasons (maybe 3) for about 8 weeks of 120's if I am remembering correctly. It was a long time ago. I maxed at 140 for two weeks on singles.
When I started coaching I had my top high school kid do 70 and then tweaked it to 65 the second year with success. My high school kids were significantly faster than me.
If I coached in college I would recommend 90 or less for the distance guys.
Maybe you have not run a 5K? Its a gut buster and if your best is 15 min, i would say sub 5 PACE isnt easy at all. As a matter of fact it would be literally your limit, not running "easily".
Fair enough... But when I was in my best 5km shape, sub-15 was still out of reach, but I could do my intervals in sub-5 (for repeats). I thought that was pretty common.
Different limiting factors for sure... For me, it was not being able to hold that sub-5 pace after about the 3km mark. I was so bad.
I faded a ton after 3000 in the 5000 as well for a while. Realized that high volume is not as important. But high workout volume is - e.g. 7-8x mile at threshold, 13x 1k instead of 5x mile / 8x 1k. And start a bit more conservative - if you're aiming for sub 14 5k don't go out in 8:24, let alone 8:20 (or sub 15 - don't go through in 8:55-9:00), aim more so for ~8:27-29 or so
As someone wrote
"Clip of 67.xx splits for 3200-3400m, usually if you’re in a Raleigh relays, Stanford invite-type race, someone makes a move around then, you just gotta do your best to go with it. I remember running a lot of 67’s then my last 4 laps were like 66, 65, 65, 62-ish? I was never a speedster so when I was in that shape it was off of hard 18-20 mile long runs, a weekly 6 mile tempo at 5:10-5:20 pace, and some faster track reps, nothing crazy. Definitely makes the pace “feel” easier if you can run a 4:00 mile, but I would’ve been lucky to run a 4:10. The 67’s felt pretty hard around 2k into the race but I just hung in there. I would suggest pretty “polarized training.” In other words do a lot of tempo workouts at marathon pace to LT pace and some 200’s to 400’s interval workouts at 60-second or faster pace. Save you race pace K’s or miles or whatever until 14 days out from the race, you only need a couple of them to get a feel for the pace and build some confidence. In other words, get better at your tempos and your speed, don’t worry about workouts at 66-67 second pace."
I don't understand why people make rude comments. He was in the Pac-12 last season.
OP created a thread asking typical runners if they'd be willing to put in 100 mpw of work if it were to gaurantee a 14 min 5k. Its an interesting question because 100 mpw is a big commitment but a 14 min 5k would yield a ton of satisfaction for most.
You replied with how your kid has broken 14 off low milage. Irrelevant. "I'm sure he did" is a not rude reply anyway, its another version of "good for him, but no one asked".
OP created a thread asking typical runners if they'd be willing to put in 100 mpw of work if it were to gaurantee a 14 min 5k. Its an interesting question because 100 mpw is a big commitment but a 14 min 5k would yield a ton of satisfaction for most.
You replied with how your kid has broken 14 off low milage. Irrelevant. "I'm sure he did" is a not rude reply anyway, its another version of "good for him, but no one asked".
Ask any female and I’m sure the answer would be yes for obvious reasons. Ask a male and it’s a bit different - more of a tradeoff
Personally I wouldn't. It would take over my life too much and I'd get fatigued.
Again. Imagine you’re asking this to a female.
Yeah its an instant Olympic medal contendar for a female. Not necessarily gold though, as Chebet, Kipyegon and Tsegay are theoretically capable of sub 14 (with Chebet already achieving it on the roads).
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