Soof Say wrote:
The US government has been watching....
Don't get me started on the sensors triggering urinals to flush.
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No, you can. Why would you buy from Walmart?
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michman wrote:
Sleuther101 wrote:
This is false. You cannot get a burner phone anonymously. You can have someone else purchase it, even at Walmart, but they will be on video and be caught.
Trust me, I know this factually;) Paying with cash is irrelevant. It's the transaction at the register that will get you. That phone will be traced to the store it was purchased at and to the exact minute at the register.
They know exactly when and where a burner phone was purchased regardless of the method of payment.
MANY people have murdered people and went to another town or state to purchase it and thought they were outsmarting the police. That is a fallacy that I know for sure;)
They will have video of that transaction to the minute and they will have video of who purchased it all the way out the front door of the location. I thought this was widely known?
This poster is absolutely correct. Cash or not, it's recorded.
It’s irrelevant that it’s recorded. They have tons of recordings of him all around the city. He’s a young masked guy. What now?
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bhah wrote:
Sleuther101 wrote:
Nothing will save him from being captured. Cell phone analytics will catch him sooner than later. You cannot trick the cell phone towers. Burner phones WILL be traced back to him regardless of him having someone else buy it. As I said in another thread, he'll be ratted out quickly.
The cell phone will positively identify him as his defense lawyer will claim that many people walk around the city with those same clothes on. But he won't be able to get rid of technology evidence along with potential ballistic evidence.
His photo, which was moronic of him, is the icing on the cake. Thank God he was that dumb as no one has the right to take another life.
He's getting caught. Crapping his pants right now, if he's still in the country. Or he'll take his own life when he realizes prison for life will be his new home.
You can get a prepaid burner phone with just cash. He was in the city for a month in the hostel and he probably got the burner in nyc if he was smart, so that alone may not identity him or connect to him even if and after he’s caught.
It's not even his burner phone. It's called an attractive duck. The cops are running around in circles, failing to realize they are dealing with a consummate professional here.
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A couple of points:
You can buy burner phones on the street in Manhatten.
Every square inch of the streets in NYC have surveillance cameras following 9/11
Central Park and Riverside Park do not have every angle covered because of trees and hills and foilage.
Cops in NYC have a priority sequence of crime types they will immediately respond to or not depending on this priority list with terrorism being the ultimate priority and fender benders being the lowest. Murder involving gun shot is high on the list. They responded on scene in less than a minute
NYC has a much lower violent crime rate per capita than most American cities. Baltimore has one of the highest!
You can use cash most everywhere in NYC and especially bus stations. You only need to present a photo ID to get Greyhound bus ticket.
You don't need any ID to take a train or subway in or out of NYC
Most bikers and e-bikers seem to wear hoodies while riding in NYC. E bikes are the quickest way to navigate through NYC traffic.
Its debatable if the NYC police department will pour extravagant amounts of resources into this case as the days go by and if they don't actually know his real identity and if he's now far away from NYC. If they actually know his identity then it's different entirely.
10,000 dollar reward is not very high.
The number of disgruntled United Healthcare insured and their family or friends who have been denied coverage is vast and that vast list alone won't help the cops much.
Its easy to bleach hair and shave eyebrows and hide for a long time....again, if they don't have a real identity.
The shooter is gaining popularity.
Insurance execs are getting scared as revealed by the CEO of BlueCross BlueShield suddenly reversing course on her proposed anesthesia coverage time limit max of hour and a half during surgery....reversing her proposal the day after the shooting.
The shooter has ignited a national discussion of Health care coverage and the strategy of deny, delay, defend.
The shooter may become an underground hero in fact.
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Fancy backpack wrote:
No, you can. Why would you buy from Walmart?
Are you serious? You can buy from anywhere that sells them. The transaction is recorded and you will get caught, period. When you register the phone, you will get caught.
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Latest update here:
I still have not received a single good answer of how they know he came in on a bus from Atlanta in November.
Similarly, it's now believed he left on a bus but they don't know where it went. This makes no sense. How do they know where he came in from but not where he left to? Logically thinking about it, it's much easier to understand how they could track him from leaving the crime scene and would know where he went as you just follow the cameras for a few hours.
Going back in time for a week to find where he came from would seemingly be impossible to do in a short period of time.
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bhah wrote:
michman wrote:
This poster is absolutely correct. Cash or not, it's recorded.
It’s irrelevant that it’s recorded. They have tons of recordings of him all around the city. He’s a young masked guy. What now?
False, it's not irrelevant and respectfully, you've missed the point. I realized and pointed out that someone will recognize him and that he knows it as well. But...even without the video they'd still get him.
You can buy from someone on the street, but you will still be found as the initial purchase has a starting point and it goes on from there and will be traced. Whoever sold it to him got the phones from someone and the trail will eventually lead to him....and that's IF he bought it on the street.
From a store? He's cooked. They can follow the cell towers and easily connect the dots. Think Gilgo Beach Killer. To say it was easy to catch him would be an understatement.
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Seems like the Land of the Free™️ has got China level surveillance of their population.
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rojo wrote:
Latest update here:
I still have not received a single good answer of how they know he came in on a bus from Atlanta in November.
Similarly, it's now believed he left on a bus but they don't know where it went. This makes no sense. How do they know where he came in from but not where he left to? Logically thinking about it, it's much easier to understand how they could track him from leaving the crime scene and would know where he went as you just follow the cameras for a few hours.
Going back in time for a week to find where he came from would seemingly be impossible to do in a short period of time.
If they know who he is (after the fact) and used his ID to get the bus ticket for long distance travel, then they simply check with the bussing companies and find out if he was on an incoming bus to NYC. As for leaving on a bus, it is "believed" that he left on a bus and they won't tell you everything until they have him in custody. They could be bluffing, or could be telling the truth and are playing dumb as if they don't know where he went but are truly in waiting.
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rojo wrote:
Latest update here:
I still have not received a single good answer of how they know he came in on a bus from Atlanta in November.
Similarly, it's now believed he left on a bus but they don't know where it went. This makes no sense. How do they know where he came in from but not where he left to? Logically thinking about it, it's much easier to understand how they could track him from leaving the crime scene and would know where he went as you just follow the cameras for a few hours.
Going back in time for a week to find where he came from would seemingly be impossible to do in a short period of time.
Because they can string camera footage together either continuously or fragmented back through the days and back to the train station and then know which bus he arrived on. Facial recognition is also being used not just looking for "masked man wearing hoodie". With near complete camera coverage outside and limited cameras inside buildings they can trace his (and everybody else who used the same building's or busses or subways then by process of elimination zero in on him everytime he moves) These NYC cops are using manpower and AI software to do this quickly. They are trained and prepared to do this because NYC is a major terrorist target and following 9/11 surveillance is a major priority. AI can access the data quickly following these type of events. This level of surveillance doesn't exist outside the NYC and the bus didn't have on board cameras. They do not know which city he got on the bus but only that the bus originated from Atlanta station.
As far as leaving goes, they know he went into Central Park where they know he ditched the backpack. I'm sure he changed his clothes but probably kept his face covered. They probably tracked 100s or 1000s of people leaving the park. He probably traveled out of the city by bus because subways, trains and stations do have camera surveillance while busses and bus stops don't. I bet that he did not get far out of the city before changing modes of transportation. But again, once outside of NYC the level of surveillance drops off.
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Sleuther101 wrote:
bhah wrote:
It’s irrelevant that it’s recorded. They have tons of recordings of him all around the city. He’s a young masked guy. What now?
False, it's not irrelevant and respectfully, you've missed the point. I realized and pointed out that someone will recognize him and that he knows it as well. But...even without the video they'd still get him.
You can buy from someone on the street, but you will still be found as the initial purchase has a starting point and it goes on from there and will be traced. Whoever sold it to him got the phones from someone and the trail will eventually lead to him....and that's IF he bought it on the street.
From a store? He's cooked. They can follow the cell towers and easily connect the dots. Think Gilgo Beach Killer. To say it was easy to catch him would be an understatement.
Why do you assume he's used or is using a phone at all?? A burner phone can use a prepaid sim card bought with cash....or by using local wifi. The phone he discarded at the scene may have only been used once and then discarded. ...It might seem impossible for some to believe, but you can live and function without a cell phone or credit cards...even in the modern world. And especially since he obviously went to great lengths and planning to escape undetected.
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If the NYC subway is like other major subway systems, if he used a fare card they could also track him using that. They would just look up who exited the station at the time when the suspect did and they could pinpoint the card he used. They could then see every other instance when the card was used and it would be pretty easy to track his general whereabouts as long as he didn’t switch cards.
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Douchebagsanonymous wrote:
rojo wrote:
Latest update here:
I still have not received a single good answer of how they know he came in on a bus from Atlanta in November.
Similarly, it's now believed he left on a bus but they don't know where it went. This makes no sense. How do they know where he came in from but not where he left to? Logically thinking about it, it's much easier to understand how they could track him from leaving the crime scene and would know where he went as you just follow the cameras for a few hours.
Going back in time for a week to find where he came from would seemingly be impossible to do in a short period of time.
Because they can string camera footage together either continuously or fragmented back through the days and back to the train station and then know which bus he arrived on. Facial recognition is also being used not just looking for "masked man wearing hoodie". With near complete camera coverage outside and limited cameras inside buildings they can trace his (and everybody else who used the same building's or busses or subways then by process of elimination zero in on him everytime he moves) These NYC cops are using manpower and AI software to do this quickly. They are trained and prepared to do this because NYC is a major terrorist target and following 9/11 surveillance is a major priority. AI can access the data quickly following these type of events. This level of surveillance doesn't exist outside the NYC and the bus didn't have on board cameras. They do not know which city he got on the bus but only that the bus originated from Atlanta station.
As far as leaving goes, they know he went into Central Park where they know he ditched the backpack. I'm sure he changed his clothes but probably kept his face covered. They probably tracked 100s or 1000s of people leaving the park. He probably traveled out of the city by bus because subways, trains and stations do have camera surveillance while busses and bus stops don't. I bet that he did not get far out of the city before changing modes of transportation. But again, once outside of NYC the level of surveillance drops off.
Man, the NYPD is really pulling out all the stops to catch this guy. Do you think they'd put the same level of effort into catching a perp if the same level of preparation and follow through had been carried out, but the victim was an average Joe or Jane?
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rojo wrote:
Ho Hum wrote:
There are cameras all over, so all you have to do is find him on his path and sync up the times. Could be cell phone tracking as well but I don’t know that it’s accurate enough to pin him in a specific spot.
But in my neighborhood in Baltimore the cameras are one person's ring doorbell, another's wyze garage cam etc. They aren't all linked to law enforcement. Are there actual law enforcement cameras all over NYC? Then why in the hell are there so many unsolved crimes?
Sometimes I really wonder about you...
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Sleuther101 wrote:
Fancy backpack wrote:
You didn’t read far enough, it turned out the guy was wrong. He didn’t use a citi bike. That is the problem with random internet sleuths. They often put forward incorrect leads.
The poster above is correct, you can get a burner phone anonymously if you are careful. The fact that he is still at large probably means they still don’t know his identity.
This is false. You cannot get a burner phone anonymously. You can have someone else purchase it, even at Walmart, but they will be on video and be caught.
Trust me, I know this factually;) Paying with cash is irrelevant. It's the transaction at the register that will get you. That phone will be traced to the store it was purchased at and to the exact minute at the register.
They know exactly when and where a burner phone was purchased regardless of the method of payment.
MANY people have murdered people and went to another town or state to purchase it and thought they were outsmarting the police. That is a fallacy that I know for sure;)
They will have video of that transaction to the minute and they will have video of who purchased it all the way out the front door of the location. I thought this was widely known?
You can get a burner phone anonymously on the dark web. It is not that hard.
You can hire an assassin on the dark web too. Its orders of magnitude harder than getting a burner phone.
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what about the little guy? wrote:
Douchebagsanonymous wrote:
Because they can string camera footage together either continuously or fragmented back through the days and back to the train station and then know which bus he arrived on. Facial recognition is also being used not just looking for "masked man wearing hoodie". With near complete camera coverage outside and limited cameras inside buildings they can trace his (and everybody else who used the same building's or busses or subways then by process of elimination zero in on him everytime he moves) These NYC cops are using manpower and AI software to do this quickly. They are trained and prepared to do this because NYC is a major terrorist target and following 9/11 surveillance is a major priority. AI can access the data quickly following these type of events. This level of surveillance doesn't exist outside the NYC and the bus didn't have on board cameras. They do not know which city he got on the bus but only that the bus originated from Atlanta station.
As far as leaving goes, they know he went into Central Park where they know he ditched the backpack. I'm sure he changed his clothes but probably kept his face covered. They probably tracked 100s or 1000s of people leaving the park. He probably traveled out of the city by bus because subways, trains and stations do have camera surveillance while busses and bus stops don't. I bet that he did not get far out of the city before changing modes of transportation. But again, once outside of NYC the level of surveillance drops off.
Man, the NYPD is really pulling out all the stops to catch this guy. Do you think they'd put the same level of effort into catching a perp if the same level of preparation and follow through had been carried out, but the victim was an average Joe or Jane?
It wouldn't have stayed in the news then. And no.
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He could have just stolen the phone for all we know.
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apparently the NYPD has the ability to access an entire network of cameras around the city. From the New York Times:
The department’s chief of detectives, Joseph Kenny, added that there were hundreds of detectives working on every aspect of the case, including the videos.
The 60,000-camera network includes some installed across the city by the police and by the Department of Transportation, along with thousands that belong to private entities — big banks, hotel chains, schools and real-estate companies.Any of them can be accessed remotely through the Police Department’s Domain Awareness System, created in part by the new commissioner, Jessica Tisch. The system coordinates data from many surveillance tools, including license plate readers and phone call histories, to help identify people.
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rojo wrote:
Latest update here:
I still have not received a single good answer of how they know he came in on a bus from Atlanta in November.
Similarly, it's now believed he left on a bus but they don't know where it went. This makes no sense. How do they know where he came in from but not where he left to? Logically thinking about it, it's much easier to understand how they could track him from leaving the crime scene and would know where he went as you just follow the cameras for a few hours.
Going back in time for a week to find where he came from would seemingly be impossible to do in a short period of time.
Mate you need a refund on your Ivy League education seriously.
This is a scenario
They have him on camera. They have his full facial features including eyes. Facial recognition can match that almost 100%. They can match video locations/times to cell phone pinging. So without actually knowing who’s phone, they can narrow down phones that have pinged in each location/time. It would be unlikely to be more than one phone after maybe only 4 locations/times of video footage. Then they can backdate every location/time of that phone. He probably now discarded it, so it’s historical data. As for the bus terminal without route that is probably a video only identification ie terminal but not bus
etc etc
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