With statements like, "Who exactly is Sydney competing against, contemporarily or from the past? No one to speak of, frankly," you continue to expose yourself as lacking knowledge and respect of hurdlers. How about you educate yourself before continuing to try to argue one athlete's year was better than another's.
I didn't say Sydney's 50.37 WR is a Koch-level performance. I said her 47.71 relay leg was a Koch-level performance. I said that because it was the fastest relay leg in over 40 years since Koch split 47.70. It's fair to say 47.70 and 47.71 are the same level.
Sydney's 50.37 WR is better than Koch-level. It has a higher score than Koch's 400m WR (1322 to 1304), and it's a bigger outlier on the all-time list. It's also better than the 800m WR, which has a score of 1286. The 800m WR of 1:53.28 is just 0.1% better than the previous WR of 1:53.43, and it's just 0.6% better than the 1:54.01 Pamela Jelimo ran in 2008. You may not like those objective facts, but they are still facts.
I won't engage you in a discussion of which athletes were doping more than others because that's wildly speculative and impossible to prove. I'm also not going to get into what you suppose other 400m runners could have run in the hurdles "if they'd put their minds to it." My argument is based on what athletes have actually done.
Based on what Sydney and Chebet actually did, and where their respective performances stand in relation to what others have done on the track in the professional era of the sport, Sydney is the track AOY.
It isn't better than the 400 or 800m world records. That's crazy. The level of competition and previous performances matters! This is why SML will never break the 400m WR. She probably won't even break 48. The facts you speak of don't support your very subjective conclusion!
LOL. I went through the effort of providing facts to support my statements, and all you came back with was basically, "No, you're wrong because I said so!" Try harder, or else you're just wasting my time.
Whether or not Sydney breaks the WR in her secondary event in the future has no bearing on the discussion of which athlete deserved to be the 2024 track AOY.
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It isn't better than the 400 or 800m world records. That's crazy. The level of competition and previous performances matters! This is why SML will never break the 400m WR. She probably won't even break 48. The facts you speak of don't support your very subjective conclusion!
LOL. I went through the effort of providing facts to support my statements, and all you came back with was basically, "No, you're wrong because I said so!" Try harder, or else you're just wasting my time.
Whether or not Sydney breaks the WR in her secondary event in the future has no bearing on the discussion of which athlete deserved to be the 2024 track AOY.
Oh see I thought this had been a pleasant convo. Anyway, I don't draw the same conclusion from the facts that you do. I've provided my reasoning in other posts. Agree to disagree. And also, I already told you that you convinced me SML is deserving of AOY. The last few posts were just me arguing against the specific supporting points and reasoning that I disagree with. NBD just fun to talk track
No hard feelings. I think we've beaten this topic to death. If you want to create that thread on the greatest women's 5,000m racing performances in history, that's a topic that warrants more exploration. Another good related topic worthy of its own thread would be where does Chebet's 2024 season rank on the list of women's distance running seasons in the professional era. I'd be curious to see where people rank it compared to T. Dibaba's 2008, Hassan's 2021, Kipyegon's 2023, and others.
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