Or maybe you have to dig out your thesaurus and choose some better words?
I like Jakob very much, both as an athlete and as a person. And I like the totality of his project -the building of stone on stone, and even 90% of his big talking. But this doesn’t mean that I’m not allowed to stress that this year the competition seems much harder than ever (in the Euros xc), e.g by Almgren and Ndikumwenayo…
In 2023 Jakob answered yes to a direct question if he could break the WR in the 5000m ”right now”. -Well, in my opinion he might be right, or he might be wrong. Because I think, like all the rest of us, that he is just guessing. (He has stressed that he can’t see what he can do in the races based on his training -it’s not race specific enough).
I see some indications for Jakob being worse the longer the distance above 3000m. But I’m not sure what that really means. But I think it’s relevant to point out…
And I think it’s hilarious how a lot of you fans seem to be determined by your feelings and hopes. -I put in some nuances, and some of you get really mad…
I wonder why some people persist to say he will not be as dominant in the 10k as he is in the 3000/5000. It's madness.
At this point hard to argue. Also not sure what the precedent for a not washed-up athlete who was way better at 5k than 10k? Especially of guys who run high-mileage/compete in XC/10Ks.
Not lucky at all, but very solid -I missed Gressier in this race, but although I think he could have been a medal contender I would have a hard time to see him as a threat to Jakob in this race.
Jakob has never faced this quality competition in any Euros xc before. -Crippa is much stronger than before, and Almgren and Ndikumwenayo borderline world class distance runners. -Jakob handily beat a two time 9.th placer in WC xc, and I don’t think the 7.8k vs 10k had much to say today. So my broadly stressed fears about Jakob and distances must then be a little reduced, but by no means completely erased..
Also very uplifting to watch Filip becoming number 20 (two Ingebrigtsens before every other Norwegians)..!
Yes, it really looked effortless. But if you listen to what Jakob himself said about the race afterwards, and Filip’s analysis of Jakob’s race, you will understand that it wasn’t effortless!
Or maybe you have to dig out your thesaurus and choose some better words?
I like Jakob very much, both as an athlete and as a person. And I like the totality of his project -the building of stone on stone, and even 90% of his big talking. But this doesn’t mean that I’m not allowed to stress that this year the competition seems much harder than ever (in the Euros xc), e.g by Almgren and Ndikumwenayo…
In 2023 Jakob answered yes to a direct question if he could break the WR in the 5000m ”right now”. -Well, in my opinion he might be right, or he might be wrong. Because I think, like all the rest of us, that he is just guessing. (He has stressed that he can’t see what he can do in the races based on his training -it’s not race specific enough).
I see some indications for Jakob being worse the longer the distance above 3000m. But I’m not sure what that really means. But I think it’s relevant to point out…
And I think it’s hilarious how a lot of you fans seem to be determined by your feelings and hopes. -I put in some nuances, and some of you get really mad…
What are you on about feelings and hopes, and that you are nuancing? You said that the 2x world 5000m champion and olympic 5000m champion and 3x european xc champion suck at 5000m and xc.
That is not nuancing, and the only feelings I have is that you must be pretty dense.
You try to redeem yourself with ignoring what you said and rather launching the not exactly nobel prize worthy theory that he is getting worse the longer the distance is over 3000m. Well yeah, ofcourse he is, if he hadn't been worse he would have been a candidate for the 10.000, 10km, HM, marathon, 100 miles, 24hour etc world records next season.
Since you are unsure what that means, let me clear that up: at 3000m he have the world record. You can be a lot worse than that in the 5000 or 10,000 and still be world class. Since he is training for the 1500m its impossible that he can get out his full potential in the 10,000 at the same time.
What most people understand if they have a pair of eyes and at least two brain cells to operate them is that he does not suck in the 5000m, and that he obviously does not suck in distances above that either.
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What are you on about feelings and hopes, and that you are nuancing? You said that the 2x world 5000m champion and olympic 5000m champion and 3x european xc champion suck at 5000m and xc.
That is not nuancing, and the only feelings I have is that you must be pretty dense.
You try to redeem yourself with ignoring what you said and rather launching the not exactly nobel prize worthy theory that he is getting worse the longer the distance is over 3000m. Well yeah, ofcourse he is, if he hadn't been worse he would have been a candidate for the 10.000, 10km, HM, marathon, 100 miles, 24hour etc world records next season.
Since you are unsure what that means, let me clear that up: at 3000m he have the world record. You can be a lot worse than that in the 5000 or 10,000 and still be world class. Since he is training for the 1500m its impossible that he can get out his full potential in the 10,000. But what most people understand if they have a pair of eyes and at least two brain cells to operate them is that he does not suck in the 5000m, and that he obviously does not suck in distances above that either.
I have never written that Jakob sucks in the 5000m. -It would be strange to say something like that after his three global wins. What I did say (in my post 31) was that he sucks in every race he has done above 5k (five of them). But even this “sucks” is of course only relative to his stellar performances in the shorter events, and relative to his own sayings about being better the longer the distance.
I think it’s relevant to use some strong words about Jakob’s performances , because he uses strong words himself. And both he and I do this apparently to underline some points.
Jakob might be a rather bad 5000m runner (in a fast race) or he might be a very good runner even then -we just don’t know since he hasn’t been tried. So what is the indications:
1. He will be excellent even in a 5000m time trail, because of his merits in the event.
2. He will reveal him self as far worse in the 5000m than in the 3000m, yes even struggle to be top three among current active runners. Indications: He hasn’t met peak competition in his three wins. And he seems to suck to such a degree in the 10k and above that it has to influence his 5k negatively..
I lean into number 2 as the most plausible (but not sure at all), but I think this can change if/ when Jakob changes focus/training/priorities.
Sorry to write things you don’t agree in. I get it that you get angry when posters write things contrary to your views. But I’m not all that scared…
What are you on about feelings and hopes, and that you are nuancing? You said that the 2x world 5000m champion and olympic 5000m champion and 3x european xc champion suck at 5000m and xc.
That is not nuancing, and the only feelings I have is that you must be pretty dense.
You try to redeem yourself with ignoring what you said and rather launching the not exactly nobel prize worthy theory that he is getting worse the longer the distance is over 3000m. Well yeah, ofcourse he is, if he hadn't been worse he would have been a candidate for the 10.000, 10km, HM, marathon, 100 miles, 24hour etc world records next season.
Since you are unsure what that means, let me clear that up: at 3000m he have the world record. You can be a lot worse than that in the 5000 or 10,000 and still be world class. Since he is training for the 1500m its impossible that he can get out his full potential in the 10,000. But what most people understand if they have a pair of eyes and at least two brain cells to operate them is that he does not suck in the 5000m, and that he obviously does not suck in distances above that either.
I have never written that Jakob sucks in the 5000m. -It would be strange to say something like that after his three global wins. What I did say (in my post 31) was that he sucks in every race he has done above 5k (five of them). But even this “sucks” is of course only relative to his stellar performances in the shorter events, and relative to his own sayings about being better the longer the distance.
I think it’s relevant to use some strong words about Jakob’s performances , because he uses strong words himself. And both he and I do this apparently to underline some points.
Jakob might be a rather bad 5000m runner (in a fast race) or he might be a very good runner even then -we just don’t know since he hasn’t been tried. So what is the indications:
1. He will be excellent even in a 5000m time trail, because of his merits in the event.
2. He will reveal him self as far worse in the 5000m than in the 3000m, yes even struggle to be top three among current active runners. Indications: He hasn’t met peak competition in his three wins. And he seems to suck to such a degree in the 10k and above that it has to influence his 5k negatively..
I lean into number 2 as the most plausible (but not sure at all), but I think this can change if/ when Jakob changes focus/training/priorities.
Sorry to write things you don’t agree in. I get it that you get angry when posters write things contrary to your views. But I’m not all that scared…
I am impressed over how much nonsense you are able to express. Nor because I agree or disagree but because the logic in it just isn't there.
Your strong words sucks because they are plain wrong. You don’t suck when you set national records or win xc golds.
Your logic however. He will not even be top three in the 5000 because he haven't met peak competition in his three wins? What isn't a world championship final or olympic final if it isn't peak competition? And how does that impact his 5k ceiling?
You realize that his 12:48 is from 2021, he has since then run a 7:17? When he has the engine to absolutely crush 26:xx runners over an 8k xc, and can run a 7:17, dont you think there might be some potential in between? Look how far he is in front of Theirry N. than ran a 12:48 this year.
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I have never written that Jakob sucks in the 5000m. -It would be strange to say something like that after his three global wins. What I did say (in my post 31) was that he sucks in every race he has done above 5k (five of them). But even this “sucks” is of course only relative to his stellar performances in the shorter events, and relative to his own sayings about being better the longer the distance.
I think it’s relevant to use some strong words about Jakob’s performances , because he uses strong words himself. And both he and I do this apparently to underline some points.
Jakob might be a rather bad 5000m runner (in a fast race) or he might be a very good runner even then -we just don’t know since he hasn’t been tried. So what is the indications:
1. He will be excellent even in a 5000m time trail, because of his merits in the event.
2. He will reveal him self as far worse in the 5000m than in the 3000m, yes even struggle to be top three among current active runners. Indications: He hasn’t met peak competition in his three wins. And he seems to suck to such a degree in the 10k and above that it has to influence his 5k negatively..
I lean into number 2 as the most plausible (but not sure at all), but I think this can change if/ when Jakob changes focus/training/priorities.
Sorry to write things you don’t agree in. I get it that you get angry when posters write things contrary to your views. But I’m not all that scared…
I am impressed over how much nonsense you are able to express. Nor because I agree or disagree but because the logic in it just isn't there.
Your strong words sucks because they are plain wrong. You don’t suck when you set national records or win xc golds.
Your logic however. He will not even be top three in the 5000 because he haven't met peak competition in his three wins? What isn't a world championship final or olympic final if it isn't peak competition? And how does that impact his 5k ceiling?
You realize that his 12:48 is from 2021, he has since then run a 7:17? When he has the engine to absolutely crush 26:xx runners over an 8k xc, and can run a 7:17, dont you think there might be some potential in between? Look how far he is in front of Theirry N. than ran a 12:48 this year.
Totally right.
When he ran 12'48 (2021), his season best in the 3000m was 7'33 (he did 7'27 in 2020). 12'48 is 1252pts IAAF ; 7'33 is 1220 and 7'27 is 1258. He seems to have a pretty similar level in these two events, and in any case there is no such thing as a collapse of his fitness level above 3000m.
Now that his 3000m pb is equivalent to 1320pts IAAF, I'd be really surprised if he couldn't run at least a 1300pts in the 5k.
1300 points in the 5k = 12'35
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I am impressed over how much nonsense you are able to express. Nor because I agree or disagree but because the logic in it just isn't there.
Your strong words sucks because they are plain wrong. You don’t suck when you set national records or win xc golds.
Your logic however. He will not even be top three in the 5000 because he haven't met peak competition in his three wins? What isn't a world championship final or olympic final if it isn't peak competition? And how does that impact his 5k ceiling?
You realize that his 12:48 is from 2021, he has since then run a 7:17? When he has the engine to absolutely crush 26:xx runners over an 8k xc, and can run a 7:17, dont you think there might be some potential in between? Look how far he is in front of Theirry N. than ran a 12:48 this year.
Totally right.
When he ran 12'48 (2021), his season best in the 3000m was 7'33 (he did 7'27 in 2020). 12'48 is 1252pts IAAF ; 7'33 is 1220 and 7'27 is 1258. He seems to have a pretty similar level in these two events, and in any case there is no such thing as a collapse of his fitness level above 3000m.
Now that his 3000m pb is equivalent to 1320pts IAAF, I'd be really surprised if he couldn't run at least a 1300pts in the 5k.
1300 points in the 5k = 12'35
Good analysis, yes I agree. As a 3:28 high runner in 2020 he was likely maxed out at 7:25 ~ 12:45 shape.
Now with 3:26 / 7:17 his strength is much better. He is a true 5000m runner, there may be some drop off to 10,000 (we don't know) but even if so, it is likely not enough to render him non competitive.
I am impressed over how much nonsense you are able to express. Nor because I agree or disagree but because the logic in it just isn't there.
Your strong words sucks because they are plain wrong. You don’t suck when you set national records or win xc golds.
Your logic however. He will not even be top three in the 5000 because he haven't met peak competition in his three wins? What isn't a world championship final or olympic final if it isn't peak competition? And how does that impact his 5k ceiling?
You realize that his 12:48 is from 2021, he has since then run a 7:17? When he has the engine to absolutely crush 26:xx runners over an 8k xc, and can run a 7:17, dont you think there might be some potential in between? Look how far he is in front of Theirry N. than ran a 12:48 this year.
Of course you suck when you set National records and win Euro xc races..! (In not good enough times). -You just don’t know anything about word context and that our language always is relative.
If it was you who broke National records or won xc races you wouldn’t suck -you would be very good. But it’s Jakob we are talking about here -a guy who has 4 WRs in some, relatively, short, track events, and keeps on stressing that he is better the longer the distance. But he is not. -He sucks in the longer events; even being beaten (time wise) by three women in his proclaimed best event!
I’m not saying that Jakob can’t beat the WR in the 5000m because he hasn’t been contested hard enough in his many 5000m wins. What logic would that be?! A lack of testing can only create an un certainty about something, not a certainty. -I’m un certain if Jakob currently can beat the 5k WR -but winning 5k’s isn’t of course a proof of that -that he can’t (man, how could it be) -the only clear indications of restricted 5000m ability for Jakob is that he has sucked in the 10k, and even those indications aren’t that strong or definitive…
Jakob handily beat Crippa, Ndikumwenayo, Almgren, Schrub and Kimeli in yesterday’s xc. Despite that some might have had a bad day, and not all have a sub 27 pb, I think beating 5 guys with a sub 27 (potential) now places Jakob as an at least 26.50 flat man (maybe I’m too generous -the course was 2k short, but what the heck). I had expected that Jakob had improved significantly from Copenhagen, and that he probably would have won marginally to Ndikumwenayo because of better end speed, but he out ran the other guys, in a way that really really was uplifting -I now officially remove the “sucks” from his 10k..!
Still -if this Euros had been a (similarly flat) 10k WC xc, I think Jakob would struggle to be top 10. And if it had been a road HM I think he would have been beaten by Kejelcha by 3.5 min. But very uplifting for Jakob’s distance dreams -just don’t hope he ruins his 1500m capability (too soon) in the transition…
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I am impressed over how much nonsense you are able to express. Nor because I agree or disagree but because the logic in it just isn't there.
Your strong words sucks because they are plain wrong. You don’t suck when you set national records or win xc golds.
Your logic however. He will not even be top three in the 5000 because he haven't met peak competition in his three wins? What isn't a world championship final or olympic final if it isn't peak competition? And how does that impact his 5k ceiling?
You realize that his 12:48 is from 2021, he has since then run a 7:17? When he has the engine to absolutely crush 26:xx runners over an 8k xc, and can run a 7:17, dont you think there might be some potential in between? Look how far he is in front of Theirry N. than ran a 12:48 this year.
Of course you suck when you set National records and win Euro xc races..! (In not good enough times). -You just don’t know anything about word context and that our language always is relative.
If it was you who broke National records or won xc races you wouldn’t suck -you would be very good. But it’s Jakob we are talking about here -a guy who has 4 WRs in some, relatively, short, track events, and keeps on stressing that he is better the longer the distance. But he is not. -He sucks in the longer events; even being beaten (time wise) by three women in his proclaimed best event!
I’m not saying that Jakob can’t beat the WR in the 5000m because he hasn’t been contested hard enough in his many 5000m wins. What logic would that be?! A lack of testing can only create an un certainty about something, not a certainty. -I’m un certain if Jakob currently can beat the 5k WR -but winning 5k’s isn’t of course a proof of that -that he can’t (man, how could it be) -the only clear indications of restricted 5000m ability for Jakob is that he has sucked in the 10k, and even those indications aren’t that strong or definitive…
Jakob handily beat Crippa, Ndikumwenayo, Almgren, Schrub and Kimeli in yesterday’s xc. Despite that some might have had a bad day, and not all have a sub 27 pb, I think beating 5 guys with a sub 27 (potential) now places Jakob as an at least 26.50 flat man (maybe I’m too generous -the course was 2k short, but what the heck). I had expected that Jakob had improved significantly from Copenhagen, and that he probably would have won marginally to Ndikumwenayo because of better end speed, but he out ran the other guys, in a way that really really was uplifting -I now officially remove the “sucks” from his 10k..!
Still -if this Euros had been a (similarly flat) 10k WC xc, I think Jakob would struggle to be top 10. And if it had been a road HM I think he would have been beaten by Kejelcha by 3.5 min. But very uplifting for Jakob’s distance dreams -just don’t hope he ruins his 1500m capability (too soon) in the transition…
Your babbling is becoming more and more incoherent.