Are you admitting that even if the American women were using the same dope as the Africans that they cannot come close to 3:49, 14:00 and 28:58? I think this is true although I do believe that a doped Athing Mu can run 1:53 and 3:55, which is not nothing.
Do you really think doping is more of a problem women than with men? Doping has and will always be around. Some Kenyan woman runs a fast marathon and all of the sudden everyone’s ego prompts them to hear their voice It’s comical to listen to everyone moan about something that is not new.
It is only my guess, but I don’t believe neither one will mature into a top name among the world beaters. I sure hope they do, but I don’t see it. Again, I hope they do!
I am not suggesting Mu is clean or dirty. however, I am baffled on how anyone can state either way. For instance, why is Mu clean, according to you, while on the other hand Hodgkinson is claimed to be dirty. What evidence supports everyone’s beliefs. I understand if someone submits a positive sample, one can consider someone in violation. But when we see people state who is clean or dirty based upon their imaginary beliefs, I scratch my head.
I think Valby will have the better PRs in the long run. But we need to temper our expectations a lot and quickly.
I hate to say it, but for me, women's running has kind of been ruined. I am not a big fan of the "everyone is doping" theory but honestly, with times like 3:49, 14:00, sub-29, and 2:09, there is NOTHING an American runner can do to be relevant in the coming era.
Remember when Jordan Hassay was trying to break 31:30 minutes in the 10km? She never did. Remember when she tried to break 15:30 in the 5km? She did it! 15:28! That is just "quaint" in the current era.
But getting back to Valby and Touhy... I don't think either of them can run the kind of kind of times we see today; and sadly, the next decade will be full of even more "insane" results. The coming wave of athletes will make everything American women do sort of irrelevant. It reminds me of how it was for American men in the late 1990s.
And now the American men has caught up with all the African dopers, which means that they are on full throttle doping too.
Nearly caught up - Panning was ahead but I think Reed was about 30 seconds back
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I am not suggesting Mu is clean or dirty. however, I am baffled on how anyone can state either way. For instance, why is Mu clean, according to you, while on the other hand Hodgkinson is claimed to be dirty. What evidence supports everyone’s beliefs. I understand if someone submits a positive sample, one can consider someone in violation. But when we see people state who is clean or dirty based upon their imaginary beliefs, I scratch my head.
How stupid are you? Where did I state that Mu is clean?
I’m not very smart, actually. However, I imagine that I am smarter, faster etc than you are. Wanna race or take an IQ and psychological exam?!?!? Breath and relax!
Are you admitting that even if the American women were using the same dope as the Africans that they cannot come close to 3:49, 14:00 and 28:58? I think this is true although I do believe that a doped Athing Mu can run 1:53 and 3:55, which is not nothing.
It looks like you are not as smart as you think you are, and actually stupid. if you are saying if Mu doped she could run 1:53 and 3:55. Is there something in between doped and clean. I never like to use the word stupid toward others I don’t know, but you do have some sort of condition.
Are you admitting that even if the American women were using the same dope as the Africans that they cannot come close to 3:49, 14:00 and 28:58? I think this is true although I do believe that a doped Athing Mu can run 1:53 and 3:55, which is not nothing.
It looks like you are not as smart as you think you are, and actually stupid. if you are saying if Mu doped she could run 1:53 and 3:55. Is there something in between doped and clean. I never like to use the word stupid toward others I don’t know, but you do have some sort of condition.
Maybe someone hacked into your account
Yeah you moron. Mu is 22. She more than likely is doping now, but in the future, doped, she can run 1:53 and 3:55. Do I really have to walk you through this? I NEVER stated whether Mu is currently doping. You cannot read with comprehension.
“I do believe that a doped Athing Mu can run 1:53 and 3:55, which is not nothing”.
Anyone that reads this with a 4th graders comprehension would see that you are saying she is clean (by the way, I like that someone is replying with positivity) Seeing that Mu has not run these times, indicated she is clean now, but can run these times when she is no longer clean. We can ask 1000 people on how they read this, and all 1000 people would see that you indicating she is clean. are you sure I am the moron?
“I do believe that a doped Athing Mu can run 1:53 and 3:55, which is not nothing”.
Anyone that reads this with a 4th graders comprehension would see that you are saying she is clean (by the way, I like that someone is replying with positivity) Seeing that Mu has not run these times, indicated she is clean now, but can run these times when she is no longer clean. We can ask 1000 people on how they read this, and all 1000 people would see that you indicating she is clean. are you sure I am the moron?
OK so if I said Mu could run 1:53 and 3:55 many people would believe that is a natural progression for a 1:54.97 and 4:03 (done at USA championships) runner. So I very smartly never said whether I believe Mu is doping now. Words matter to me. I am very precise in my use of them. I believe Mu needs to be doping to run 1:53 and 3:55 but I shrewdly never gave away my opinion of whether she is doping currently. You fell for the trap of imposing your interpretation on words that intentionally never revealed anything on the matter.
Oh man! I fell into a trap you set up! So, this was a guessing game?!? Hey man, you didn’t do your best writing and that’s ok.
nevertheless, regardless if this is a game of Clue, any logical person would see that you were claiming Mu as clean. there’s nothing too wrong with that. Other than how does anyone on LR know who’s clean or dirty?
one more time:
“I do believe that a doped Athing Mu can run 1:53 and 3:55, which is not nothing“
I think the judge is not going to rule in your favor! Guilty as charged!
Oh man! I fell into a trap you set up! So, this was a guessing game?!? Hey man, you didn’t do your best writing and that’s ok.
nevertheless, regardless if this is a game of Clue, any logical person would see that you were claiming Mu as clean. there’s nothing too wrong with that. Other than how does anyone on LR know who’s clean or dirty?
one more time:
“I do believe that a doped Athing Mu can run 1:53 and 3:55, which is not nothing“
I think the judge is not going to rule in your favor! Guilty as charged!
Well I have taught you something. As a reader, do NOT impose your meaning onto the text when it is not clearly there. It will only render you a fool, a part which you play well. I do have to permanently leave this site as it is rife with fools.
I do believe that a doped Athing Mu can run 1:53 and 3:55, which is not nothing
you didn’t teach me anything. ask your friends what they read. They will all tell you the author of is saying if she dopes, her times will improve to 1:53/3:55. That means her current PRs will improve greatly once she dopes. Unless there is something between doped and not doped, you are saying she is clean.
this is no longer about running but about logic and sanity. I agree, you should take a long break from LR.
I think Valby made a wise choice with Coogan as her coach. He has daughters her age and will look out for her development. He sees the big picture about life and will be a reassuring voice with regard to her development. She’s surrounded by talented teammates on Team NB. Long run pick for me. No one can control East African doping, hopefully she focuses on being the best American and fans appreciate her for that.
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