if that is your impression of normal US universities then Wingate is probably closer to a primary school difficulty level
if that is your impression of normal US universities then Wingate is probably closer to a primary school difficulty level
1-Hamza Chahid [SR] 23:19.1
2-Lukas Ehrle [FR] 23:28.7
3-Antonin Saint Peyre [SO] 23:36.6
4-Ricardo Barbosa [SR] 23:42.2
5-Titouan Le Grix [SR] 23:46.8
6-Joaquin Campos [SO] 23:56.6
7-Will Aitken (JR) 23:56.8
8-Lars Laros [JR] 24:03.0
9-Luca Poppe [JR] 24:07.3
10-Alexis Collomb [FR] 24:18.1
11-Scott Nutter [SR] 24:21.2
12-Soheil Boufrizi [SR] 24:22.4
13-Cas Kopmels [SR] 24:24.3
14-David Holman [SO] 24:37.3
15-Leo Freeland [SR] 24:39.9
16-Daniel Schmidt [JR] 24:49.1
17-Matthew Brunnock [FR] 24:53.1
18-Emanuele Ferrari [SO] 24:53.9
19-Tom Thierry [SR] 25:11.6
20-Thomas Bentley [FR] 25:19.5
21-Luis Hernandez-Perez [SR] 25:32.8
Apparently, all but 2 of their runners were involved in a major fall before the 1st mile of the Gold Race at Lehigh. I overheard athletes in the finish area saying it was a mess and cost them at least 20 seconds. Imagine if the majority of their team didn't get involved in that melee...
Your competence is legitimately an issue here.
Whether it is private or public, Americans are still donating large sums of money to keep the university doors open. It is not being funded by a plethora of Europeans donors.
Do you understand this?
No one is "jeering" at them. Some objective facts have been stated, and you have gone off the rails.
Please ask yourself the question, what makes you become so emotional and defensive to objective data being presented about these men?
DwideSchrude wrote:
Your competence is legitimately an issue here.
Whether it is private or public, Americans are still donating large sums of money to keep the university doors open. It is not being funded by a plethora of Europeans donors.
Do you understand this?
No one is "jeering" at them. Some objective facts have been stated, and you have gone off the rails.
Please ask yourself the question, what makes you become so emotional and defensive to objective data being presented about these men?
I don’t think donations at private universities “keep the doors open”. They pay for fancy new facilities, special scholarships, endowed chairs for faculty. But I think what keeps Wingate University going is the $50,000 annual tuition + room and board per student. Assuming that 10% of the school is on a full ride, Wingate would be pulling in around ~2800 students*$50,000 or around $140,000,000 a year in revenue from its students, domestic and international.
That’s what keeps the doors open. Capeesh?
I would like to get a tour of your beet farm regardless of our disagreement.
Putting together a large number does not make you correct. You have no knowledge of the expenses involved.
That’s like saying a large SaaS doing $175 million in revenue is just fine, and doesn’t need to raise capital. One problem, you don’t know if they are exceeding their revenue in operational costs.
I don’t believe you understand why many private universities are shutting down, as plenty had north of $100 million annually in tuition coming in.
Chumville wrote:
Putting together a large number does not make you correct. You have no knowledge of the expenses involved.
That’s like saying a large SaaS doing $175 million in revenue is just fine, and doesn’t need to raise capital. One problem, you don’t know if they are exceeding their revenue in operational costs.
I don’t believe you understand why many private universities are shutting down, as plenty had north of $100 million annually in tuition coming in.
You don’t know Wingate’s operating expenses and profit/loss figures either. But you framed your whole argument about Americans funding this school—after I pointed out it was private and you realized that you couldn’t make the taxpayer argument, I’ll add—as “American donors are keeping the doors open”. You made no mention of student tuition paying for a huge chunk of the costs (probably the majority every year) because you wanted to make it seem like the school has some enormous obligation to the Americans who keep it going. You know, I think there are universities that fit your desire to educate the people who fund them…hmmmm…oh yeah! Public universities.
I have found you to be a rather tiresome debate partner. You have changed usernames several times despite clearly being the same person, your writing mechanics are mediocre, and you argue every topic the same way: “I don’t believe you comprehend [insert straw man argument]. Are you incompetent?”
Notice that I never attacked your intelligence; I see that as a weak move.
This is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen involving the business of higher ed. You obviously have never worked in admissions, financial aid, or coaching (unless you didnt recruit or make offers). Here is a little secret pertaining to private institutions.......Nobody, and I mean nobody pays full price. The only people who pay full price have their last name on a building and that cost a lot more than 50K. Also, they cost 41k not 50k and almost all of their students get 50% of the cost of school covered. At best they make half of the numbers you put out on tutition. None of that matters. The way they make money is not off of enrollment. They have a $90 million endowment. At 2% interest that brings in 1.8 million a year and their rates could be even higher. None of this counts fund raising, which you dont get a 90 million dollar endowment without outside gifts. Bottom line is that schools like Wingate have money. They dont need to charge everyone full price to stay in business and fully fund athletics. They, like every other school in the nation, have no obligation to save money for slower americans. Incoming american freshman are the biggest risk a coach can take since the transfer portal came into existence
Personally i find it quite funny that in all this discussion, none of you have realized yet that Niels Laros's older brother Lars Laros also competes for Wingate!
Wingate men taking on the ACC on Saturday: https://flashresults.com/2025_Meets/xc/Panorama/athleteList.htm
#6 Wake Forest
#21 Virginia
Ihopeyoudidntpayalotforyuoreducation wrote:
This is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen involving the business of higher ed. You obviously have never worked in admissions, financial aid, or coaching (unless you didnt recruit or make offers). Here is a little secret pertaining to private institutions.......Nobody, and I mean nobody pays full price. The only people who pay full price have their last name on a building and that cost a lot more than 50K. Also, they cost 41k not 50k and almost all of their students get 50% of the cost of school covered. At best they make half of the numbers you put out on tutition. None of that matters. The way they make money is not off of enrollment. They have a $90 million endowment. At 2% interest that brings in 1.8 million a year and their rates could be even higher. None of this counts fund raising, which you dont get a 90 million dollar endowment without outside gifts. Bottom line is that schools like Wingate have money. They dont need to charge everyone full price to stay in business and fully fund athletics. They, like every other school in the nation, have no obligation to save money for slower americans. Incoming american freshman are the biggest risk a coach can take since the transfer portal came into existence
In my post, I clearly stated that the $50,000 figure included room and board. The $41,000 you are trying to correct me with is just the tuition cost.
Can you read?
Ihopeyoudidntpayalotforyuoreducation wrote:
This is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen involving the business of higher ed. You obviously have never worked in admissions, financial aid, or coaching (unless you didnt recruit or make offers). Here is a little secret pertaining to private institutions.......Nobody, and I mean nobody pays full price. The only people who pay full price have their last name on a building and that cost a lot more than 50K. Also, they cost 41k not 50k and almost all of their students get 50% of the cost of school covered. At best they make half of the numbers you put out on tutition. None of that matters. The way they make money is not off of enrollment. They have a $90 million endowment. At 2% interest that brings in 1.8 million a year and their rates could be even higher. None of this counts fund raising, which you dont get a 90 million dollar endowment without outside gifts. Bottom line is that schools like Wingate have money. They dont need to charge everyone full price to stay in business and fully fund athletics. They, like every other school in the nation, have no obligation to save money for slower americans. Incoming american freshman are the biggest risk a coach can take since the transfer portal came into existence
Also, you know that a $90 million endowment is tiny, right? Maybe you would if you knew anything about this stuff. Go look up the endowments of some of the prestigious private schools that can afford to actually make school free for whomever they want. University of Richmond, my local private school which is a bit larger than Wingate, has an endowment of $3 billion. $90 million is chump change to them. Wingate really needs revenue from students.
My daughter is attending one of those schools and we still pay $84K per year after steep discount. And we are only middle class earners. So yes, elite schools have monstrous endowments but they continue to grow them rather than make school free.
big caboose wrote:
My daughter is attending one of those schools and we still pay $84K per year after steep discount. And we are only middle class earners. So yes, elite schools have monstrous endowments but they continue to grow them rather than make school free.
That sucks for you guys—higher education expense has gotten so out of hand. I hope your daughter takes advantage of the amazing position she’s in and you guys don’t break the bank. I am planning on starting a family soon and already have anxiety about paying for my kids’ college.
I agree that most schools have no interest in making tuition free for students as it’s a huge revenue source. I was just pointing out that some could, and Wingate is not at all in that club. I know a few private schools like NYU have made tuition free for certain programs like medical school, thanks to enormous donations.