Provide evidence of this improvement in health that I must have missed the past few decades as marijuana has grown in legality and displaced alcohol. Because what I hear about is a mental health crisis, record overdose deaths, etc.
Record overdoses on marijuana?
Surely marijuana is causing the mental health and fentanyl epidemic. Never thought of it like that. Did you know shark attacks actually bring ice cream sales up? There’s a heavy correlation there too. Scary times we live in where people witness other people being eaten by sharks and say “wow I could go for a scoop!”
Goodness I am learning so much from so many statistics/science experts on this thread!
Check out that good CDC.gov, and check out annual alcohol related deaths, and annual marijuana related deaths. That’s a good start! Then you can look into symptoms of alcohol overdose, and symptoms of marijuana overdose. AND THEN you can look into symptoms of alcohol addiction, and symptoms of marijuana addiction.
Im not saying either are good for you, but alcohol is OBJECTIVELY one of the most harmful drugs on the planet, and marijuana is something your dad told you not to do.
I can come up with a significantly better and more logically/statistically sound explanation as to why drug overdose and depression is on the rise, but you cannot come up with a better explanation as to why 85,000 to 95,000 people in the US alone die from alcohol related illness annually and a big 0 people die from Marijuana related illness annually.
Brain-dead weedtard talking points.
You probably think it's coincidence that traffic accidents are way up in states with commercialized weed
You probably think it's coincidence that traffic accidents are way up in states with commercialized weed
It’s not a coincidence that mental health issues arise with the increase of marijuana usage, especially with high potency (unbalanced) strains and concentrates. The physical issues due to weed is practically non-existent compared to alcohol, but weed seriously turns most people into hollow shells of paranoia.
However I do think the best part about legalization is the strict lab tests to ensure the safety of weed. No more pesticides, mold, or adulterants. Yay!
. The physical issues due to weed is practically non-existent compared to alcohol, but weed seriously turns most people into hollow shells of paranoia.
Turns most people into hollow shells of paranoia? Really?
You have to drink not just every day, but a whole lot, to be addicted to it.
You’re wrong about that. I have a dear friend who is a nurse in an Intensive Care Unit. She tells me it is not uncommon for people who have only a few drinks a day to suffer some form of withdrawal when they come into the hospital for a procedure. They feel terrible and can’t understand why. The nurse will ask a few questions and discover that they have 3-4 drinks a day.
Maybe they feel terrible because it’s the Intensive Care Unit and they were just operated on? Odd that hospital patients wouldn’t be feeling too great.
that is not "withdrawal." It's a "form of withdrawal" invented to falsely lump in your 3-4 drink a day folks with actual alcoholics who require detox.
Noone in real alcohol withdrawal would fail to "understand why." It's severe, potentially fatal.
Typical anecdotal nonsense of the $-grubbing treatment industry. If you drink 4 a day and want do stop, you might be a bit uncomfortable adjusting, but it's not withdrawal. If you don't do it, the brutal truth is you didn't really want to. Just make up your mind and don't fall prey to charlatans who tempt you to cast aside personal responsibility.
Yes 100%. I withdrew from benzos (which are equally as bad, if not worse), and no one experiencing withdrawal would be confused as to what's going on. You're literally craving the drug more than you've craved anything in your life. I suffered from DT's, insomnia and many other horrible withdrawal symptoms, but I was heavily physically dependent and required in patient rehab. I thought I was going to die.
"Feeling terrible" does not even begin to describe what it feels like for long time alcoholics to go through actual withdrawal.
It would be very uncommon and rare for someone drinking 3-4 drinks a day to experience what I went through.
Well again, I did not say that people who have 3 - 4 drinks/day will go through the same withdrawal of someone who has 20-25 drinks per day, or is addicted to painkillers. I said that there is a withdrawal process for some people who have 3 - 4 drinks per day. It’s not as severe, but it indicates they have developed a dependency on alcohol at a relatively low daily dose.
Freedom is not a cop out. We are free to make our choices and free to have to live with the consequences that result.
So you are in favor of the freedom to do some coke and heroin? I have very few weed advocates that feel that way. They are in favor of making their drug legal but not others.
And I have never heard anyone in favor of letting Pfizer lose to see what wonderful recreational drugs they can come up with…
Freedom is better than locking people up in jail, destroying their lives because they smoked weed. I guess the obvious Best Case Scenario is a society free from all forms of drug use, no alcohol, no weed, no anything.. but since that doesn't exist anywhere on the planet, the next best option is to allow people to make decisions for themselves.
Eh, that’s a cop out. It was our choice to make marijuana legal, commercialized, and socially acceptable. So it was our choice to have what we have now.
Freedom is not a cop out. We are free to make our choices and free to have to live with the consequences that result.
There is no freedom in people walking around like zombies, unable to keep work, falling into mental illness and depression and addiction. The rest of us have to deal with it, like it or not. We pay taxes, we hire people, we walk unsafe downtown streets, we try to raise drug-free kids. All these things are made more difficult by rampant drug use.
“A recent study unveiled a significant shift in American substance use consumption patterns, indicating that marijuana has outpaced alcohol in daily usage for the first time in history.”
Sis, despite the fact that alcohol users far out number marijuana users overall. Yet somehow alcohol users are better able to moderate there intake than marijuana users.
Of course it’s too late now. Marijuana users are able to get baked every day, if they want, without “getting hassled by The Man.” That was really the entire purpose of the legalization movement - getting really high without legal consequences- despite a lot of noble sounding language about human liberty and medical uses.
And your point was?
We have increased human misery, entirely unnecessarily, through our relentless pursuit of more and more pleasure. it makes us weak and useless.
You’re wrong about that. I have a dear friend who is a nurse in an Intensive Care Unit. She tells me it is not uncommon for people who have only a few drinks a day to suffer some form of withdrawal when they come into the hospital for a procedure. They feel terrible and can’t understand why. The nurse will ask a few questions and discover that they have 3-4 drinks a day.
Maybe they feel terrible because it’s the Intensive Care Unit and they were just operated on? Odd that hospital patients wouldn’t be feeling too great.
No dummy. The doctors and nurses probably would have thought of that.
So you are in favor of the freedom to do some coke and heroin? I have very few weed advocates that feel that way. They are in favor of making their drug legal but not others.
And I have never heard anyone in favor of letting Pfizer lose to see what wonderful recreational drugs they can come up with…
…the next best option is to allow people to make decisions for themselves.
Hey Reefer Badness I hope you live in a place where the smell of dank skunk is EVERYWHERE. I hope you walk down the street and have the whacky tobaccy smoke blown right in your face, day after day.
We've all had to live in a world of violent drunken jerk offs and endured that stench of alcohol and piss and sweat so YOU CAN SUCK IT if you think any weed users care one little bit whether you don't like the dank funk.
Surely marijuana is causing the mental health and fentanyl epidemic. Never thought of it like that. Did you know shark attacks actually bring ice cream sales up? There’s a heavy correlation there too. Scary times we live in where people witness other people being eaten by sharks and say “wow I could go for a scoop!”
Goodness I am learning so much from so many statistics/science experts on this thread!
Check out that good CDC.gov, and check out annual alcohol related deaths, and annual marijuana related deaths. That’s a good start! Then you can look into symptoms of alcohol overdose, and symptoms of marijuana overdose. AND THEN you can look into symptoms of alcohol addiction, and symptoms of marijuana addiction.
Im not saying either are good for you, but alcohol is OBJECTIVELY one of the most harmful drugs on the planet, and marijuana is something your dad told you not to do.
I can come up with a significantly better and more logically/statistically sound explanation as to why drug overdose and depression is on the rise, but you cannot come up with a better explanation as to why 85,000 to 95,000 people in the US alone die from alcohol related illness annually and a big 0 people die from Marijuana related illness annually.
Never said overdoses on marijuana. I said drug overdoses. And, yes, decriminalization of weed did impact that, because it has led to an increased use of all drugs. Because the people and cartels that sell drugs stopped selling pot (except to kids) and started selling other things to those who had spent the last twenty years being told that drugs are medicine. As far as the mental health crisis, that is 100% a byproduct of increased supply and consumption of weed. Weed causes psychosis. It causes dysphoria. A lot of mass shooters were young pot smokers. I’m not much of a drinker, either, so you can talk about booze until you are blue in the face, it does nothing to justify smoking weed, nor would it affect me in the least if booze were made illegal.
Hey Reefer Badness I hope you live in a place where the smell of dank skunk is EVERYWHERE. I hope you walk down the street and have the whacky tobaccy smoke blown right in your face, day after day.
We've all had to live in a world of violent drunken jerk offs and endured that stench of alcohol and piss and sweat so YOU CAN SUCK IT if you think any weed users care one little bit whether you don't like the dank funk.
In fact, we LOVE that you hate it so much.
Wow ReefrWeenie yer right! I forgot that I LOVE the stench of booze, drunk driving, and have advocated for greater levels of drunkenness for all levels of society!
Surely marijuana is causing the mental health and fentanyl epidemic. Never thought of it like that. Did you know shark attacks actually bring ice cream sales up? There’s a heavy correlation there too. Scary times we live in where people witness other people being eaten by sharks and say “wow I could go for a scoop!”
Goodness I am learning so much from so many statistics/science experts on this thread!
Check out that good CDC.gov, and check out annual alcohol related deaths, and annual marijuana related deaths. That’s a good start! Then you can look into symptoms of alcohol overdose, and symptoms of marijuana overdose. AND THEN you can look into symptoms of alcohol addiction, and symptoms of marijuana addiction.
Im not saying either are good for you, but alcohol is OBJECTIVELY one of the most harmful drugs on the planet, and marijuana is something your dad told you not to do.
I can come up with a significantly better and more logically/statistically sound explanation as to why drug overdose and depression is on the rise, but you cannot come up with a better explanation as to why 85,000 to 95,000 people in the US alone die from alcohol related illness annually and a big 0 people die from Marijuana related illness annually.
Never said overdoses on marijuana. I said drug overdoses. And, yes, decriminalization of weed did impact that, because it has led to an increased use of all drugs. Because the people and cartels that sell drugs stopped selling pot (except to kids) and started selling other things to those who had spent the last twenty years being told that drugs are medicine. As far as the mental health crisis, that is 100% a byproduct of increased supply and consumption of weed. Weed causes psychosis. It causes dysphoria. A lot of mass shooters were young pot smokers. I’m not much of a drinker, either, so you can talk about booze until you are blue in the face, it does nothing to justify smoking weed, nor would it affect me in the least if booze were made illegal.
You are so close dude. So close.
Increased mental health issues lead to increased drug use, including marijuana. Is turning to street drugs probably a bad way to cope with your mental health issues? Yup. But people with mental health issues don’t tend to think straight. Every single person I know of who uses drugs regularly (and the statistics again back me up on this, it’s not just anecdote) already had mental health issues before they started abusing substances. Unlike the propagized infomercials you are clearly basing all of your knowledge off of, people don’t start doing drugs because all the cool kids or doing it or whatever narrative they are pushing these days.
Weed doesn’t cause psychosis or dysphoria, it can induce an episode of psychosis for those who are already psychotic bipolar or schizophrenic. Marijuana tends to force one to feel their emotions a lot more strongly than normal, and if you become dysphoric it is because it was already there. Both of these are also traits of alcohol by the way.
And you’re gonna hate this, but the thread discussion is actually whether or not weed is more addictive/harmful than alcohol, not whether or not you should smoke pot. Moving goalposts isn’t the best argumentative strategy for productive discourse. Welcome!
Surely marijuana is causing the mental health and fentanyl epidemic. Never thought of it like that. Did you know shark attacks actually bring ice cream sales up? There’s a heavy correlation there too. Scary times we live in where people witness other people being eaten by sharks and say “wow I could go for a scoop!”
Goodness I am learning so much from so many statistics/science experts on this thread!
Check out that good CDC.gov, and check out annual alcohol related deaths, and annual marijuana related deaths. That’s a good start! Then you can look into symptoms of alcohol overdose, and symptoms of marijuana overdose. AND THEN you can look into symptoms of alcohol addiction, and symptoms of marijuana addiction.
Im not saying either are good for you, but alcohol is OBJECTIVELY one of the most harmful drugs on the planet, and marijuana is something your dad told you not to do.
I can come up with a significantly better and more logically/statistically sound explanation as to why drug overdose and depression is on the rise, but you cannot come up with a better explanation as to why 85,000 to 95,000 people in the US alone die from alcohol related illness annually and a big 0 people die from Marijuana related illness annually.
Brain-dead weedtard talking points.
You probably think it's coincidence that traffic accidents are way up in states with commercialized weed
Okay, brain-dead weedtard (I don’t use weed) here, is it the weed causing those accidents, or is it the idiot who decided to drive while intoxicated?
Sorry my measured IQ is 46 and I need an intellectual who uses phrases like “weedtard” and “weed is cringe” in a discussion to explain it to me.
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Maybe they feel terrible because it’s the Intensive Care Unit and they were just operated on? Odd that hospital patients wouldn’t be feeling too great.
No dummy. The doctors and nurses probably would have thought of that.
Right, idiot.
Patient in ICU feels unwell. Doctor or nurse says well it’s only because your body is craving your occasional alcoholic beverage so suck it up boozey.