Is there a scenario where a 7:17 guy cannot win a 10K championship race?

interestingly enough, his 27:38 was actually his stronger result at the time compared to a 7:44 3k.

If you put Jakob into a time machine back to all of Bekele's track races then he would be spanked even more then what Josh is currently doing to him in the 1500m and mile.

Regarding Daniel Komen. His 27:38 was really impressive, especially since it was 3 years after he started falling apart. It is sad that we didn't ever get to see him and Bekele together in a race. Bekele would obviously win, but I think Daniel Komen would still run fast, maybe 26:25. I think if I could change someone's career I would pick Daniel Komen. I wish I could go back to 1999 and tell him not to slack off. He was the best, much better than Jakob, but just didn't bother anymore. The 2000 5,000m was the easiest 5,000m in any Olympics. It would of been an easy gold for him. Then he could have attempted to get close to Geb's 10,000m WR.

European XC is obviously not as competitive as World XC and you’re comparing him to one runner, who might, or might not, have been at peak fitness. In the 2021 race, there was a runner named Michael Somer who has a 27:57 PR, that finished 23 seconds behind Ingebrigtsen. In 2022, he beat Emile Cairess, who has a 27:34 PR, by 9 seconds.

World XC is a much better metric. Some of the best 5/10 guys in the world run in it and it’s almost always run at a face pace. If Ingebrigtsen runs it, we’ll have a much better idea about his capabilities at that distance.

Jakob is a better version of Mo Farah (who could also produce a fast 1500). He would’ve won the last couple of 10000s. It’s always before the 1500 and it’s risky to do an event before his favorite event

Solinsky?

This board didn't think Fisher could beat Hocker in a 5000. They thought Mo Farah would dominate the marathon. They said that Kipchoge would not only dominate a hilly marathon that he could destroy a trail ultra with lots of vert.

Nothing is a given, Jakob doesn't get credit for winning a championship 10,000 until he does. Paris showed that the 10 isn't necessarily going to be a sit and kick affair. It is quite possible that he struggles at that distance and at that pace.

I think he's about the same as mo,actually. Mo ran 12.53,in the 5000,and 3.28.21 in the 1500. Jakob has done 12.48,and 3.26.73,with super shoes,faster tracks,and wave lights. Maybe worth about 12.58,and high 3.29 without all that.Of course a lot of people on here think jakob could run a 5000 in 12.2. I dont believe it,but we'll see.

Jakub has done well in European XC though he finished about 12th in the Worlds junior race in 2019. But back then he wasn’t quite yet who he is now. I was sorry he didn’t run Worlds XC the past two years and would like to see him run it in 2026. Could he win a championship 10K? I don’t know, but am curious to find out.

Doesn't count till he races it on the track. Farah and Bekele agree.

Jakob isn't a better version of Mo Farah till he wins two 5k/10k doubles - and then something extra. He will try the 10k when he keeps losing over shorter distances.

This gets downvoted to oblivion but was ultimately a fact. Chris Solinsky was taking Cytomel Thyroid meds prescribed by Dr. Brown when he ran the 10,000m AR, this is a fact and was in the USADA report into NOP when Jerry was coaching him there. The same medication that Kara Goucher said AlSal was pushing her to take to shed post-pregnancy weight

racing against a 7:16 guy

Jakob is a faster Mo Farah type of runner, his training is dialed in for the 10k and HM. The one 10k he's ran 5 years ago, on a hilly course in piss poor conditions, is still the road European U20 record.

this is not the same thing and makes no sense. know a lot of 800 championship races that go out slow? know a lot of 1500 championship races that don't also have insanely fast 800 runners/sprinters?

10k championship races are very often not all out from the gun. considering jakob is probably close to the 5k world record, if not better than it, i think it's a very valid question.

i don't think anyone runs the wheels off of Jakob in a 10k, right now. including Cheptegei. i think the only way he's beat in a 10k is in a slower race by a better kicker. like Lagat taking down Farah in WC 5K. in general though, i'd call Jakob the favorite in every race between 1500 and 10k that he enters right now.

Strongly disagree. History will put Farah notches lower than both Bekele and Jakob because he never went for a world record. Truly bizarre.

So the fastest person on earth today would lose to Mo Farah by 5 seconds in a race with the same shoes and conditions? How do you guys come up with this crap where no one today is as good as people from the past that you’ve glorified? Seb Coe was great but people on this board act like he was the pinnacle of humanity. Why can’t you acknowledge that people today are better for a variety of reasons? Besides, Mo Farah had a bunch of sketchy behavior around his L-carnitine usage, whereas JI has only had a bunch of clowns on this board accuse him of being “doped to the gills” without a shred of evidence. If being faster than Farah and Coe is evidence then I’ll retract my statement. It is not Farah’s fault obviously, but he wasn’t even in England by the time JI was training with a serious regimen and had not started seriously training for until several years after his arrival. JI is the perfect combination of nature and nurture and that is tough to beat.

I get your point but it's not quite a fair comparison. The energetic metabolism of a 400m (30% aerobic) is radically different from that of an 800m (~55% aerobic), which is fairly different from a 1500m (75% aerobic). The 3000m, by comparison, is about 86% aerobic metabolism and a 10k is around 90% aerobic--not so different.

Never minding the validity of the numbers provided here... a 10K however is not only substantially longer than all of the those distances, but it's longer than all of your aforementioned distances combined. It requires a much longer time commitment of running at a very high sustainable intensity.

JI has certainly run 10Ks before on non-track surfaces, but it would be interesting to see him go for it on a track with other 10K specialists.

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