It is also just like Bill Rodger’s. Winning Boston one year and not making the Olympic team the following. It is the same as every late 30s runner. They are good for a long time and then they are 90s slower a year later. Then 3mins. Go down the list of everyone and the pattern is the same. And across most sports. People are doing great and they lose a step. They all think they are one training cycle to get back. It rarely happens..
Bill Rodgers never won Boston and failed to make the team the next year.
Technically he did fail to make the 1980 team after winning Boston in 1979. Rodgers chose not to run the trials in May 1980 because the US had already withdrawn from the Moscow Olympics before the Marathon Trials took place. Instead he ran and won Boston again.
He has all the signs of aging. On his face, on his pace and...and on his uphill strength. Uphill strength often goes away quickly as you age. If you are not aware of this, you are lucky, it means you are still young enough not to know that.
This is so true. When I was younger and running well I noticed the older guys getting slower up the hills we raced on regularly. They were still strong on the flats but not the uphills. Then it started with me. I cannot run uphills to save my life anymore. Kipchoge is showing the effects of aging like all the rest of us will.
His pretty rapid and unexpected decline over the past few years is set against a back drop of a doping bust bonanza in Kenya and his training group. Why have has his performances tailed off so quickly and at the same time of so many drug busts? The two seem too intertwined to me
It's because he's older than 39 and he's caught up with father time. But he's also never performed well on hilly courses. He's only a flat course kind of guy
They could be linked, but I've also heard reports that the guy was actually born in 1976.
If that's the case, he had some incredible performances well into his 40s, and the sharp drop-off began at the age of 46.
1976, per these “reports?” So he burst onto the scene at age 26/27 looking like a teenager, ran his first marathon WR at 42, broke 2 in an exhibition at 43, ran a 2:01:09 WR at 46 and 2:02:42 at 47 and now here we are. Sure, that all seems so likely.
My old college teammate, who is my age, went to the same high school as Kipchoge. He said Kipchoge was two grades ahead of him, and I'm currently 43.
I also visited Kipchoge's home in Elgon View in 2005. He was at his training camp in Ngong Hills, but his wife said he was 26.
His pretty rapid and unexpected decline over the past few years is set against a back drop of a doping bust bonanza in Kenya and his training group. Why have has his performances tailed off so quickly and at the same time of so many drug busts? The two seem too intertwined to me
I think he's just getting old. The man won the World Championships 5000m in 2003. For context, the man who won just the gold in the mens 1500m at this Olympics was 2 years old at that time.
His pretty rapid and unexpected decline over the past few years is set against a back drop of a doping bust bonanza in Kenya and his training group. Why have has his performances tailed off so quickly and at the same time of so many drug busts? The two seem too intertwined to me
It's because he's older than 39 and he's caught up with father time. But he's also never performed well on hilly courses. He's only a flat course kind of guy
I assure you Kipchoge was 18 in 2003. The boy was too innocent and docile to be in his 20s LOL!!!!!! I remembered Bekele at 19 and 20 as well, exactly the same boyish innocence as Kipchoge!!!!!!
I will know a man if he is in his twenties you feeling me?????
Is anyone shocked that Kipchoge had a bad marathon at his age and years of hard training on the nastiest marathon course in history?
Oh, it must be drugs, right?
Yes I am shocked to my underwear sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get the drift???????????????
For me it's UNPRECEDENTED, you don't just have an 'old' 39 year old athlete, you have a 'old' 39 year old athlete who is a SUB 2 GOAT, MARATHON GOAT, WR GOAT and so on and so forth duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell me, what's running at least 2:12 (side by side with Bekele) on tough hills as compared to 1:59:40 or 2:00:25 or 2:01:09 on flat, a time which would be, listen to this, 11-13 minutes slower?????????????????
I know Kipchoge is 'old' or '39 years old' but heck what's the darn problem with him just running a tortoise 2:12 side by side with Bekele, or even just COMPLETING THE DARN RACE IN UNDER 2:20?????????????????????
At the very minimum, come hellfire, rain, shine or hailstorm, 'old' Kipchoge should jolly well still be running a darn 2:20:00 no matter what you feeling me?????
The guy is SUPPOSED TO BE so darn fit and strong AF living and training like a MONK in Kenya and it's 2hr flat fitness and strength to boot you feeling me sir?????????
I don't care if he has back pain, stomach pain, hip pain precisely because 2:12, 2:15 or even 2:20 are extremely slow jogging paces for him and should never have been a problem if he is supposedly still very fit, and importantly still living like a MONK which is the ingredient of strength and power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly Kipchoge didn't do that and so proved all of us right that he had to be doping earlier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is anyone shocked that Kipchoge had a bad marathon at his age and years of hard training on the nastiest marathon course in history?
Oh, it must be drugs, right?
Yes I am shocked to my underwear sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get the drift???????????????
For me it's UNPRECEDENTED, you don't just have an 'old' 39 year old athlete, you have a 'old' 39 year old athlete who is a SUB 2 GOAT, MARATHON GOAT, WR GOAT and so on and so forth duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell me, what's running at least 2:12 (side by side with Bekele) on tough hills as compared to 1:59:40 or 2:00:25 or 2:01:09 on flat, a time which would be, listen to this, 11-13 minutes slower?????????????????
I know Kipchoge is 'old' or '39 years old' but heck what's the darn problem with him just running a tortoise 2:12 side by side with Bekele, or even just COMPLETING THE DARN RACE IN UNDER 2:20?????????????????????
At the very minimum, come hellfire, rain, shine or hailstorm, 'old' Kipchoge should jolly well still be running a darn 2:20:00 no matter what you feeling me?????
The guy is SUPPOSED TO BE so darn fit and strong AF living and training like a MONK in Kenya and it's 2hr flat fitness and strength to boot you feeling me sir?????????
I don't care if he has back pain, stomach pain, hip pain precisely because 2:12, 2:15 or even 2:20 are extremely slow jogging paces for him and should never have been a problem if he is supposedly still very fit, and importantly still living like a MONK which is the ingredient of strength and power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly Kipchoge didn't do that and so proved all of us right that he had to be doping earlier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shouting don't make something true.
If you have some evidence, put it up. Otherwise shut up.
Interviewed yesterday he said he's suffering with lowing back pain, so nothing underhand, just age and wear.
Hamstring pain is worse and Bekele had that!!!! Without your legs you seriously can't move fast, but without your back you can still move slowly!!!!!!!!!!!! Excuses from Kipchoge the doper!!!
You titled this thread pretty well. "I'm suspicious...." Well, that makes one of you.
Dear Dave, the OP is here to promote clean sport and what you are doing??? Gaslighting him, me and all of us?????? As if we don't know you were going to say Kipchoge is old, gassed out, maxxed out, wear and tear, back pain etc?????? Bekele has better excuses bruh!!!!!
Bekele has:
1) Hamstring pain
2) Older than Kipchoge
3) More inconsistent than Kipchoge
4) Distracted by real estate and hotel businesses and ventures
5) No good training partners and lack of motivation
You ask the wrong question. Nike prolonged his career when it would normally have started slipping by giving him early access to then new shoe technology that no-one else had. That was legal until recently. Now a championship shoe must have been on the market for everyone in five months (I think it is) so that no-one can show up with a 4% advantage.
You ask the wrong question. Nike prolonged his career when it would normally have started slipping by giving him early access to then new shoe technology that no-one else had. That was legal until recently. Now a championship shoe must have been on the market for everyone in five months (I think it is) so that no-one can show up with a 4% advantage.
And his coach then further advised him below word for word if you don't mind my prescience:
"Come here brother, so now Nike offer you new shoe technology and they hope you run faster with this new tech. But they don't know how much faster you will run because they are waiting for you to run in these new shoes and then see how fast you will run, you feeling me brother?????? So that's where we can TAKE ADVANTAGE of their oblivion and insert some PEDs to go along with the new shoe technology. We can make the improvement greater than their expectation and estimation, or if in the worst case scenario the shoe doesn't make you go faster then you will still go faster because we inserted some PEDs to go along with the shoe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the end, PEDs a win-win situation for everybody as you will do the shoes more justice than it requires by exaggerating the improvement felt by the shoes using PEDs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So folks, now you see the subtle subterfuge since 2020 with the supershoe era??????????????? Athletes are taking advantage and trying to blur the benefits provided by both the supershoe and PEDs respectively INDIVIDUALLY by merging them as ONE ENTITY SO THAT NOBODY CAN PRECISELY TELL THE DEGREE OF THEIR INDIVIDUAL BENEFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1976, per these “reports?” So he burst onto the scene at age 26/27 looking like a teenager, ran his first marathon WR at 42, broke 2 in an exhibition at 43, ran a 2:01:09 WR at 46 and 2:02:42 at 47 and now here we are. Sure, that all seems so likely.
My old college teammate, who is my age, went to the same high school as Kipchoge. He said Kipchoge was two grades ahead of him, and I'm currently 43.
I also visited Kipchoge's home in Elgon View in 2005. He was at his training camp in Ngong Hills, but his wife said he was 26.
My nephew’s aunt’s brother in law who is 6 years older than me went to the same kindergarten school as Kipchoge in the 70s and he said even the kindergarten teacher said Eluid was 12 then. He was just precocious in age like in running.
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