A lot of bad takes. Clearly some lowbies were caught here. If you're against doping for competitions you watch, you should embrace a strategic approach to stopping the issue. WADA prefers a bureaucratic approach with no critical thinking. And their goal is to do their job without creating too much strife, so this makes sense. Agreed with the previous poster that it's likely over the power struggle started by the Chinese swimmers, where WADA did exactly what they accuse the US for....
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bloviating wrote:
Who used to coach Tyson Gay back in the day? Who could he be coaching today? 🤔
I don’t believe that Jon Drummond is coaching any athlete of note in this day and age.
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It's time to face the truth and consequences for cheating. To save the little honor we have left, I accept the international competition ban of US.
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There you have the answer. That’s the formula for the US middle distance success at this games. Show bias, negotiate deals, make it a win win. Then you get away with it.
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First they should take back all the medals from the middle distance guys. Broker a deal that rewards them in kind for selling out their friends for doping. That would work.
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Pretty obvious they're giving whereabouts and lesser charges to people caught as well
Exhibit A is Shacarri's " weed" positive.
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Under The Table Travis Tygart wrote:
Absolutelynotaware wrote:
It’s not a distance runner. It’s obviously a sprinter during the Jon Drummond/Tyson Gay fiasco.
USADA used a low level sprinter of the group to catch the big fish.
It’s the same strategy they used to get Lance.
Whether you agree or disagree with the tactic, it’s not the big revelation WADA makes it appear to be. It’s a choice, just like drug agencies use the low level user or dealer to get the big one. Same thing occurred here.
You are talking hot air. USADA did not do any of the real work to catch Lance since Betsy Andreu had already been accusing and naming names and details for many years. And with Lance, it was very well known that all his team mates are dopers. Floyd Landis squealed like a pig because he got caught at the Tour de France and not because of Travis Tygart. Here, Tygart actually allowed proven American dopers to continue doping and compete for medals and keep prize money and sponsorships and won't even tell us who.
They made Lance's minions testify in federal court, not even close to the same thing
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bowerman tc wrote:
dirty sob's wrote:
In one case, an elite level athlete, who competed at Olympic qualifier and international events in the United States, admitted to taking steroids and EPO yet was permitted to continue competing all the way up to retirement. Their case was never published, results never disqualified, prize money never returned, and no suspension ever served. The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated.
ok now that they have retired, tell us who it is.
Call me crazy - could this be Lopez Lomong? He retired exceptionally quietly, almost fell of the face of the earth a few years back. Always found it a bit strange. Of course, he actually qualified for the Olympics... hope the name comes out some day
Just because we are in a letsrun forum doesn't mean that it is automatically a distance runner. Could be a swimmer, rower, cyclist or anyone!
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Answers wrote:
First they should take back all the medals from the middle distance guys. Broker a deal that rewards them in kind for selling out their friends for doping. That would work.
Exactly, the lid needs to be blown off how they are doping these days. We need someone to rat on the rest. Given one person amnesty to keep on competing after a shorter ban.
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calmcalm wrote:
Answers wrote:
First they should take back all the medals from the middle distance guys. Broker a deal that rewards them in kind for selling out their friends for doping. That would work.
Exactly, the lid needs to be blown off how they are doping these days. We need someone to rat on the rest. Given one person amnesty to keep on competing after a shorter ban.
"How they are doping these days" is any way they want, sounds like. No bueno.
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Reading this and in a couple of hours I will hate watch the women's 1500 where there are more suspicious athletes than I can count. I was happy people called BS on Hull immediately and hope they continue to.
I like to place my frustrations on clear dopers: Hull, Hassan, Kipyegon, Houlihan, etc. But there are so many dirty cheating athletes and some get caught but most don't and maintain innocence. I recall how Lance was caught, riders who knew all his secrets who couldn't take it anymore. How come the dam hasn't broke? How come no one has come forward to say this is going on, this is how its going on, this is who's supplying it. It's all such a joke.
If that many people are doping, how can it have stayed a secret for so so long? How can so many people want to put this crap in their bodies?
I will be looking forward to Hull being awarded her medal and all the clean sport western runners congratulating her in the comments of her instagram posts. do they actually believe this?
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Under The Table Travis Tygart wrote:
So the rumors all these years about Travis Tygart and the USADA intentionally hiding positive PED tests of American dopers are true, WADA found out about some of them and clearly does not like Travis Tygart......
The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) says U.S. agency USADA broke the global code by letting several athletes it had caught between 2011 and 2014 violating drugs rules go undercover and keep on competing without prosecution in exchange for information on other violators.USADA says the tactic is necessary and allowed, and wants to keep using it. WADA says it is against its code and that athletes caught breaking doping rules should not get to line up in races, potentially winning prize money and medals, without first being publicly prosecuted and sanctioned.
The two agencies are also embroiled in dispute over the global system for policing doping in sport, sparked by the case of 23 Chinese swimmers which has cast a shadow over the Paris Olympics.
"WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents for USADA, without it notifying WADA and without there being any provision allowing such a practice under the (global) code or USADA's own rules," WADA said in a statement to Reuters.
Agreed that the policy of allowing dirty athletes to continue to compete, can be easily abused. But I would not want to give up the policy of allowing athletes to admit fault, share what they know, and receive reduced sanctions. A policy like that could be vital to helping us understand the net work of gurus, coaches, laboratories, and athletes, so that we can catch up with the dopers.
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Track Keeps Banning Drug Cheats. It Worries That Other Sports Are Not.
The level of independence enjoyed by the A.I.U. is rare in elite sports. While its offices sit two floors below those of track and field’s headquarters in a salmon-colored building in Monte Carlo, Mr. Clothier answers not to the current leader of World Athletics, Sebastian Coe, but to a separate board. That arrangement ensures that track’s current leaders hold little power over the antidoping body’s activities.
That structure has enabled Mr. Clothier and his second in command, Thomas Capedeveille, to build a rigorous and intelligence-driven testing system that the A.I.U. uses to locate and test athletes wherever they are in the world, sometimes at a moment’s notice.
The strategy starts at the top. A group of the top 10 athletes per discipline in both men’s and women’s categories is selected to be part of the World Athletics testing pool. Each athlete has a profile and a bespoke risk score from 1 to 10, calculated from a range of factors, including the athlete’s testing history, performances, nationality — there are athletes from 90 nations in the testing pool — and intelligence reports from testers in the field.
The higher the score, the higher the risk. A rank of red out of four color-coded categories signifies that, according to A.I.U. data, an athlete has a higher likelihood of doping. Those athletes are tested more often and placed under greater scrutiny.
But suspecting, or even being convinced, that an athlete is cheating is very different from catching a cheater. Long gone are the days, Mr. Clothier said, of huge amounts of banned substances lingering in the bloodstream. The window to catch athletes has now shrunk so much, he said, that the so-called washout period for some banned substances — the time when it disappears from an athlete’s system — is sometimes a few hours.
Greater sophistication among cheats and their entourages in microdosing, or taking tiny amounts of prohibited substances at regular intervals, during training periods can make catching them even more difficult. “It’s really become a game of cat and mouse,” Mr. Clothier said.
That is why the A.I.U. expends so much effort on preparation, intelligence and targeted out-of-competition testing, he said, rather than the blanket testing of athletes at regular intervals, as many other sports still do, or only at major events.In an Olympic year, antidoping veterans know, cheating rises.
“This is a real, red-hot, crucial moment,” Mr. Capedeveille, the head of testing, said of the period before the Paris Olympics. The A.I.U. data proves it: The number of athletes in the red zone changes when they make frequent changes to their travel itineraries, which investigators said could be a sign of something nefarious.
To counter that, the agency constantly fine-tunes its matrix to ensure that the right athlete is tested at the right time and for the right substances. In its constant search for reliable testing partners, the A.I.U. favors the use of private companies over national antidoping bodies, which Mr. Clothier said could be slow to act and less interested in seeing their own athletes punished.
The A.I.U. has cited a run of recent cases — a sprinter from Suriname, a pole-vaulter from Brazil, a Kenyan distance runner — as proof that its targeted approach was succeeding. But Mr. Clothier admitted that could be an illusion: He knows that athletes in track and field, and other sports, are still cheating and getting away with it. That may be why he is unflinching in his criticism of the current global antidoping system.
“I don’t think,” he said, “that it’s working particularly well.”Non-paywalled duplicate of the NY Times article:10 athletes per event doesn't seem like a lot to me. Unsurprising that the AIU doesn't trust NADOs, but good that they admit it.
50% of the field for tonight's men's 800m final won't have been in the AIU testing pool over the past winter, assuming they select based on end of season time ranking.
Men's 800m 2024 rankings on time (2023 rankings on time)
1. Djamel SEDJATI (3)
2. Emmanuel WANYONYI (1)
3. Gabriel TUAL (23)
4. Mohamed ATTAOUI (22)
10. Bryce HOPPEL (11)
11. Marco AROP (2)
13. Max BURGIN (7)
20. Tshepiso MASALELA (15)00 -
calmcalm wrote:
Just because we are in a letsrun forum doesn't mean that it is automatically a distance runner. Could be a swimmer, rower, cyclist or anyone!
WADA has said that the American dopers being shielded by Travis Tygart and USADA are indeed runners:
"The identity of the informants is not known, but WADA revealed that two of them were “low-ranking on the running circuit” while the third was competing at a higher level. All three athletes have now retired from competition."
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Many people want to know answers how the Hocker and Nuguse could be so durable. Travis Tygart apparently has the solution now. And that is to bribe Hocker and Nuguse to talk and help them cover up. The reward must be large enough. Millions of dollars worth
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Under The Table Travis Tygart wrote:
Perch wrote:
I don't know if Rupp doped or not and maybe I'm misunderstanding your point but is it your contention that Rupp was a doper and using his frequent testing and lack of failed tests as evidence?
My "contention" is that Travis Tygart gave Galen Rupp immunity to dope in exchange for information about NOP and Salazar. Rupp doesn't so much as even have a single positive test for cold medicine after all the thousands of tests Tygart and USADA have given him spanning decades.
It's odd to me that the article wouldn't say Olympic medalist or competed at the Olympcis, but only says competed at Olympic qualifier or international competition. If it was an OIympian, much less an Olympic medalist, surely the author would so if he/she knew, right?
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From investigat-or mindset it's clever but you can wonder then if Flo Jo or any other champion was just a spy.
Actually that's kind of cool
Random memory/delusion (88 Drechsler touches Flo Jo's hair on congratulations after semis. Was she getting hair for the Deutsch to rush to a little lab and test ?
"Vat da Vuck is dos Vomen on" *highkick*
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I’m shocked that there’s gambling going on in here!
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Why the focus on SOME distance runners? Almost every American sprinter Male and Female is on steroids, obviously, testing is a joke...
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exrunnerboy wrote:
Why the focus on SOME distance runners? Almost every American sprinter Male and Female is on steroids, obviously, testing is a joke...
Athletes get protected because the anti doping agencies could get sued . USA is where the money is,and the sponsors. They,and everyone training there ,can dope with no consequences.
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