Yeah when you strip out the context that Cacho finished 6th losing to 3:37 guys it looks more impressive. Tanui was past his best days finishing bronze though he had a decent outdoor season (didn't make Kenyan team). I'd never heard of the second placer from Germany. Again, I wouldn't count indoors OR roads. It's not a major part of either Jakob or Hicham's CV at this point.
The point isn’t where Cacho placed, it’s that he was there. Tanui would actually run his 1500 PR in the summer of 1997 after his indoor loss to Hicham.
You can’t conveniently ignore data points you don’t like. Jakob gave the 1500 indoors a try, and he lost. Hicham gave it a try twice and won both times. Those races may be small parts of their overall CV, but they are still part of it.
And? Cacho got sixth in that race. It's clear he wasn't at his best. Looks like you like to use data points but ignore what they actually mean.
Why take a chance of being out kicked when both are slower than Josh at 800m but Hicham was much slower than his opponents at 800m. Why haven't ANYONE tried training to emulate Hicham's long drive slowly increasing the pace from 800 to 1000m out til everyone lets go.
I agree overall. Jakob will do what he did at Euros, start off slow and then when everybody slows down, get to the front and wind it up but in a much faster manner than what he did in Rome. The only downside is if Cheruiyot or anyone else decides to take it through 800 in 1:51 - 1:52 but honestly that might be a benefit for him since now he doesn't need to do much of the work. He has to be careful not to run in lane 2 as well. Get to the front or stay in the pack.
The point isn’t where Cacho placed, it’s that he was there. Tanui would actually run his 1500 PR in the summer of 1997 after his indoor loss to Hicham.
You can’t conveniently ignore data points you don’t like. Jakob gave the 1500 indoors a try, and he lost. Hicham gave it a try twice and won both times. Those races may be small parts of their overall CV, but they are still part of it.
And? Cacho got sixth in that race. It's clear he wasn't at his best. Looks like you like to use data points but ignore what they actually mean.
And I refuted the claim that Hicham had weak competition. He literally defeated an Olympic gold medalist for each of his world indoor championships. Jakob got beat by someone who’s never made an Olympic final.
Ultimately, it makes no difference to me who was in the 1995, 1997, or 2022 indoor 1500 fields. The sport’s governing body held global championship races to determine who was the best indoor 1500 meter runner in the world. Hicham entered twice and beat all comers. Jakob entered once and lost.
Why take a chance of being out kicked when both are slower than Josh at 800m but Hicham was much slower than his opponents at 800m. Why haven't ANYONE tried training to emulate Hicham's long drive slowly increasing the pace from 800 to 1000m out til everyone lets go.
You must be a young guy. That tactic only worked once in the Olympic final for Hicham, when he beat Lagat in 2004. It didn't work in 2000. I would imagine Jakob will do some version of that tactic in Paris
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So the 4 World Outdoor 1500m Golds 🥇 Hicham won that same tactic he do uses didn't work? He must have used a different tactic like running backwards and daring anyone to pass him!
LET'S get back to the point of the thread, do you think Jacob or Yared could excel at Hicham's long drive tactic? If so why haven't EITHER or ANYONE tired it since Hicham retired?
And? Cacho got sixth in that race. It's clear he wasn't at his best. Looks like you like to use data points but ignore what they actually mean.
And I refuted the claim that Hicham had weak competition. He literally defeated an Olympic gold medalist for each of his world indoor championships. Jakob got beat by someone who’s never made an Olympic final.
Ultimately, it makes no difference to me who was in the 1995, 1997, or 2022 indoor 1500 fields. The sport’s governing body held global championship races to determine who was the best indoor 1500 meter runner in the world. Hicham entered twice and beat all comers. Jakob entered once and lost.
Hicham: 7-3 in global 1500 championships
Jakob: 1-4 in global 1500 championships
Tefera was the world indoor 1500m record holder. Did you know that? For a stat keeper you don’t keep good stats.
That’s true. I shouldn’t put Tefera down. After all, Tefera has twice as many 1500 global championship gold medals as Jakob does. Maybe Jakob can learn from him too.
Why take a chance of being out kicked when both are slower than Josh at 800m but Hicham was much slower than his opponents at 800m. Why haven't ANYONE tried training to emulate Hicham's long drive slowly increasing the pace from 800 to 1000m out til everyone lets go.
You must be a young guy. That tactic only worked once in the Olympic final for Hicham, when he beat Lagat in 2004. It didn't work in 2000. I would imagine Jakob will do some version of that tactic in Paris
Lol I remember VIPAM posting about how Bekele was going to destroy the 5K/10K world records all the way back in 2002 in the infancy of Letsrun. Definitely not a young guy.
When Kenenisa ran 7:30.67 WJR as a 17 year old (few months shy of 18) the world know that he was very talented; however, in 2003 we may see the beginning of his dominance. In 2002 he became the first man to hold both long and...
No I'm not a young guy AT ALL but in a few years I'm seriously try to be one of the few athletes to 🔊 run a SUB 60 seconds 400m at the age of 60. I'm pretty sure I can do it even in a few years at that age...also 10 miles in sub 60 minutes. Be skeptical if you want I'm very serious! Oh and yes I'm old NOW but still fitter than most.
Jakob and Nuguse aren´t in the same league, especially not in this season.
If Nuguse tried to squeeze from 800m out he will be outsprinted by several competitors, including Kerr and Jakob if they have brought their best shape.
In fact, its after 2020 (COVID) era, that Jakob started to show up.
Before that, he was barely able to keep up with the East African
History will reveal the mediocrity of facts...
In 2019 eighteen year old Jakob was ranked second in the world in the 1500m after Cheruiyot, according to WA’s ranking that year…
The thing wrong with Jakob is that everything is calculated "micro-managed". These times were were planed with a paced race with Cheruiyot. Australian are trying to imitate the model with Myer.
In 2019 eighteen year old Jakob was ranked second in the world in the 1500m after Cheruiyot, according to WA’s ranking that year…
The thing wrong with Jakob is that everything is calculated "micro-managed". These times were were planed with a paced race with Cheruiyot. Australian are trying to imitate the model with Myer.
Why take a chance of being out kicked when both are slower than Josh at 800m but Hicham was much slower than his opponents at 800m. Why haven't ANYONE tried training to emulate Hicham's long drive slowly increasing the pace from 800 to 1000m out til everyone lets go.
800 speed = kicking ability is one of the biggest fallacies there is. I'm surprised that you, of all people, don't know this?