Holy shi*: Bryce Hoppel we have a problem. Sedjati 1:41.56 leads three under 1:42 in Paris DL 800!!

GreatDane · 2024-07-07T10:24:04-04:00

The 800m has suddenly got exciting again!https://paris.diamondleague.com/en/programme-results/programme-2020-results/#baseFrame%23__athDisciplineRoot%23DisciplineInit%23Paris_2024_TIMING_ATHM800M----DIAMOND---FNL-000100--_json%23%23main-frame_content%23__athRun%23RunSubFrame%23Paris_2024_TIMING_ATHM800M----DIAMOND---FNL-000100--_json

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We merged three threads into 1 but kept the title of the thread started by site co-founder Robert Johnson as he has dicatorial powers here.

1 year ago 07/07/2024 1:52pm EDT

re: Will coop

Will coop wrote:
A slight correction - Tual's PB before this year was at the 2022 Paris DL of 1:44.23 - 4th in a 1:43.75 race won by Robert. Also Tual was crushed by Sedjati in Ostrava in late May then he's clearly found something winning Euros, French champs and now this performance, hard to comprehend tbh
I'm wondering if we'll see any more of Koitatoi Kidali before the Olympics, somehow I'm not as confident of him making then final as Kemei and Ngeno both have looked good after the trials but then again maybe Kidali would have been right up there today too

Yeah this is all fair. I think he just hadn’t had a breakthrough race. He ran Paris (1:44.23) right after 1:44.30 at Paavo Nurmi. I guess your PB is your PB. I’ve always regarded him slightly higher than the PBs. Monaco 800m is interesting. I wonder if there’s a shakeup in the entries. If I were their coaches, I’d pull Sedjati and Wanyonyi back.

Kidali and Hoppel would benefit from a start in Monaco IMO.

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1 year ago 07/07/2024 1:59pm EDT

re: Dudewhat?

Dudewhat? wrote:
So are we still on cloud nine about Kessler's 1:43 now?

Kessler can enjoy Paris. 2028 for him.

But this should put in to perspective all those people saying he should focus on the 800.

No, take that 1.43 speed to the 15.

1 year ago 07/07/2024 1:59pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Will coop wrote:
A slight correction - Tual's PB before this year was at the 2022 Paris DL of 1:44.23 - 4th in a 1:43.75 race won by Robert. Also Tual was crushed by Sedjati in Ostrava in late May then he's clearly found something winning Euros, French champs and now this performance, hard to comprehend tbh
I'm wondering if we'll see any more of Koitatoi Kidali before the Olympics, somehow I'm not as confident of him making then final as Kemei and Ngeno both have looked good after the trials but then again maybe Kidali would have been right up there today too
Yeah this is all fair. I think he just hadn’t had a breakthrough race. He ran Paris (1:44.23) right after 1:44.30 at Paavo Nurmi. I guess your PB is your PB. I’ve always regarded him slightly higher than the PBs. Monaco 800m is interesting. I wonder if there’s a shakeup in the entries. If I were their coaches, I’d pull Sedjati and Wanyonyi back.
Kidali and Hoppel would benefit from a start in Monaco IMO.

Yeah definitely he was worth more that his previous PB after making 2 global finals - '21, '22. He has been on the DL circuit for a while and hadn't shown anything like this of course

2Running Club made it sound like Wanyonyi is not doing Monaco anymore. Would like to see Arop against Sedjati in Monaco and Sedjati said post race he's planning on that still

1 year ago 07/07/2024 2:03pm EDT

re: Burly Bartttt

Burly Bartttt wrote:
malmo wrote:
Whats the problem?
The problem is the shoes.

Shoes have been around for ages now.

So why only now are we seeing a race on par with 2012 OG games?

1 year ago 07/07/2024 2:03pm EDT

re: McRunnin

McRunnin wrote:
Here are the ages and PBs of the top 8 before this year, what they ran today, and the difference:
Sedjati, 25, 1:43.06, 1:41.56, 1.50
Wanyonyi, 19, 1:42.80, 1:41.58, 1.22
Tual, 26, 1:44.23, 1:41.61, 2.62
Cheminingwa, 26, 1:46.20, 1:42.08, 4.12
Kinyamal, 27, 1:43.12, 1:42.08, 1.04
Crestan, 25, 1:44.24, 1:42.42, 1.81
Kramer, 27, 1:44.47, 1:43.66, 0.81
Habz, 30, 1:43.90, 1:43.79, 0.11

What's up with these two??

1 year ago 07/07/2024 2:06pm EDT

re: ftyhjkk

It seems to me host countries athletes often over perform in Olympic years. Stats on that would be fascinating

1 year ago 07/07/2024 2:08pm EDT

re: GreatDane

GreatDane wrote:
xzcvzxcv wrote:
Too bad our guys weren't in the race! That is what can happen when you get a super fast pacer (48.8) and field. Multiple guys had two second pr's. Elliott Crestan is now a low 1:42 guy. What? And we kind of see that Wanyonyi couldn't run much faster with a pacer and competition than he did on his own in Kenya. Sedjati had shown he had a ton left in the tank in 1:43ish races. Hard to believe he is running mid-1:41 now. Maybe it's not only the effect of fast pacing and a willing field, as well as doping, but also maybe the shoe companies have produced magic spikes that work for the 800m, because a ton of guys hammered this one.
8 of the 10 athletes in the race all set PBs. Wow!

Yeah so measure that track. Is it newly resurfaced? I bet it is

1 year ago 07/07/2024 3:00pm EDT

re: DevonDixonFan

DevonDixonFan wrote:
2laps4daddy wrote:
100 seconds of "sprinting"(obviously sub maximal) still takes incredible aerobic power
Did I say that it didn't bro? Is this Reddit???

Whoa dude... calm down

1 year ago 07/07/2024 3:04pm EDT

re: I said short first

I said short first wrote:
GreatDane wrote:
8 of the 10 athletes in the race all set PBs. Wow!
Yeah so measure that track. Is it newly resurfaced? I bet it is

Super foam under the track surface.

give up the shoe stuff & altitude stuff boomers wrote:
Burly Bartttt wrote:
The problem is the shoes.
Shoes have been around for ages now.
So why only now are we seeing a race on par with 2012 OG games?

Antidoping has been rendered a farce.

1 year ago 07/07/2024 3:22pm EDT

re: idiocy -

idiocy - wrote:
"We merged three threads into 1 but kept the title of the thread started by site co-founder Robert Johnson as he has dicatorial powers here."
Also why did you merge "three" threads into "1"?

It isn’t that serious. Go touch grass.

1 year ago 07/07/2024 3:22pm EDT

re: GreatDane

Tual 1:44 to 1:41 in an olympic year... yeah right... TEST Him....

1 year ago 07/07/2024 3:36pm EDT

re: GreatDane

Sedjati could have done a lot of musculature training.

Wanyonyi quadriceps and hamstrings couldn't sustain more at the end.

From his short interview at the end, he is pure instinctive fighter.

No good talk ... even the French he dont masterise it well.

1 year ago 07/07/2024 3:42pm EDT

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
give up the shoe stuff & altitude stuff boomers wrote:
Shoes have been around for ages now.
So why only now are we seeing a race on par with 2012 OG games?
Antidoping has been rendered a farce.

So has your ability to post coherently.

1 year ago 07/07/2024 3:50pm EDT

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
give up the shoe stuff & altitude stuff boomers wrote:
Shoes have been around for ages now.
So why only now are we seeing a race on par with 2012 OG games?
Antidoping has been rendered a farce.

Yes, in 1988.

1 year ago 07/07/2024 4:10pm EDT

re: GreatDane

the former so called wild speculation, well its in the books now.

hoppel would have run 141 high in that race without heats.

and sebastian coe, 140 mid.

a month ago these kinds of statementd were science fiction.

today the reality.

1 year ago 07/07/2024 4:18pm EDT

re: Too obvious

Too obvious wrote:
Tual hadn't broken 1:44 before this year and he's 26. Can wavelights/pacing really account for THAT much of a jump? (Especially since he had them last year)

During three years (21-22-23) he was stucked at 1'44 but didn't do full preparations because of injuries. In France, everyone knows he had an incredible potential, and he just didn't had the race to show it.

I knew there was a 1'42 cooking when I saw how he ran at European champs, and even more when I saw him at French champs (1'43''99, first time breaking 1'44, all alone). Just needed a good race. He had an incredible one, and it went a little bit faster than I expected, but not so much.

I understand the doubt though.

1 year ago 07/07/2024 5:03pm EDT

re: looking_good

1:41.56 - Sedjatp - drug cheat 100%, I thought this when he ran a 1:43 a few weeks ago.
1:41.58 - Wanyoni - unreal talent, I think he is legit
1:41.61 - Tual - dirty as they come look at his back muscles cleanly on roids. 3 sec pr during an Olympic year in France... I'm sure the drug tester are doing a good job with him... Ya right.

All 3 are faster than the fastest guy from New Zealand, Australia, Great Britian and USA. Dopers.

1 year ago 07/07/2024 5:11pm EDT

re: GreatDane

GreatDane wrote:
The 800m has suddenly got exciting again!
Link:paris.diamondleague.com/en/programme-r...

....

The 800m hasn't gotten exciting it and SOME of its athletes has gotten suspicious. It is very possible that we could end up with 6 men running under 1:42. A race with 3 running 1:41 seems historically; however, may be short lived with the Olympics upcoming. In the right conditions we could see an 800m final with 4 or 5 guys running 1:41:and I WOULD NO LONGER be surprised. Plus add another new to the 1:41 club after the Olympics. 🤔 WTHeck

1 year ago 07/07/2024 5:16pm EDT

re: long gone

long gone wrote:
1:41.56 - Sedjatp - drug cheat 100%, I thought this when he ran a 1:43 a few weeks ago.
1:41.58 - Wanyoni - unreal talent, I think he is legit
1:41.61 - Tual - dirty as they come look at his back muscles cleanly on roids. 3 sec pr during an Olympic year in France... I'm sure the drug tester are doing a good job with him... Ya right.
All 3 are faster than the fastest guy from New Zealand, Australia, Great Britian and USA. Dopers.

...

Me and you thinking alike and I don't like tossing drug suspicion around but something is certainly puzzling with the new 800m runners cracking the All Time Top 10 List recently...🤔 The math NOT mathing 😳

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