Considering the WR is at 1:40.91 it's definitely possible, but when do you guys think it will happen and who's the current guy with the best chance?
After doing all this Jarmila research, I'll get to it in a couple of years. Sure, by then my age group record will be barely under 2, but I'm not gonna sweat that little detail.
Your second paragraph is jibbirish. The only relevant metric, is the distance that everyone one runs, which is the 400m. There’s no weird correlation between the 800m and marathon.
The only metric that is key to the 800m is the 400? Hahah "know the sport"? You wouldn't know your arm from your a$hole buddy. Go away.
Most people don’t run the 600m, you idiot.
Look, you’re a pompous ass that never ran track. You think you’re the smartest guy in the room and butt into other threads where don’t belong. Because you have no experience in running track, you’re lengthy posts contribute nothing. You’re like one of those guys that loves the sound of his own voice and just won’t shut up.
Your second paragraph is jibbirish. The only relevant metric, is the distance that everyone one runs, which is the 400m. There’s no weird correlation between the 800m and marathon.
He didn't imply that there was a correlation between the 800 and the marathon, he only included it to make the point that seemingly impossible barriers tend to go down at unexpected times due to the emergence of freak talents as well as breakthroughs in the sport.
You missed that point completely, and decided to make a complete ass of yourself, but thankfully most of us didn't.
coe's 141, that was sub optimal conditions, pacing track surface.
the other 140 141 runs were front run, or with very dodgy pacing, like 23flat for the first 200, uneven pace, tracks could have been better.
no question. i think coe said himself he could do 139.
rusd 140 front run, that is only 8 meters off 139.9
coach of john walker, arch jelley, wondered why someone did not pop up and do it, back when the record was 143. by a guy that set that mark in his first season doing it, and broke down not too far after.
right now, there are no athletes that can run a 141 with a suboptimal situation, so 139 is out of the question currently.
the guy to do it, will be 45 low 400 m or very close to, which all the top 4 all time were capable of, no doubt. you don't get your best 400 time on the books using it as sharpening, while doing mileage... of course,
a guy like garth bale of notable endurance and the fastest player, that type of guy would be next level.
remember, you only do track and field when something goes wrong in other sports.
which means it is a fluke to get a super talent in this sport.
No time soon; athletes aren't even running 1:42 on a regular basis. The 600m WR is 1:13; someone would have hit the 600 at WR pace and keep going for another 200m Another reason is you would need to go out in 46x, which means you will need to be a solid 44x quarter miler and most solid 44x athletes are not looking for ways to endure more pain. .
Why would someone need to go out in 46x for a 1:39.9? 48.x would probably be more ideal, so something like Wilson Kipketer's suicidal first lap in his WR, but this time holding on.
1:42.33 45 years ago. For sure it easily could be achieved. This doesn't mean it soon will be achieved. The 800m record currently is the "weakest" from 800 to 10000.
I would argue it is the strongest record because it is essentially unbreakable. Just like Bolt's 100m record, there just isn't that much "room to improve."
If someone does break it, it will be by a 10th of a second, not a few seconds. That means it is a strong record, right?
People argue that it's a weak record, because of the fact that the 400 to 800 world record is the most markedly distinct drop off in pace of all the records, but that's the wrong way to think about it.
It's assuming the conclusion from the start that the 800 record *should* be stronger based on the 400, while ignoring the physiological reasons why there is such a drop off (not that I pretend to fully understand those reasons).
No time soon; athletes aren't even running 1:42 on a regular basis. The 600m WR is 1:13; someone would have hit the 600 at WR pace and keep going for another 200m Another reason is you would need to go out in 46x, which means you will need to be a solid 44x quarter miler and most solid 44x athletes are not looking for ways to endure more pain. .
Why would someone need to go out in 46x for a 1:39.9? 48.x would probably be more ideal, so something like Wilson Kipketer's suicidal first lap in his WR, but this time holding on.
We would see numerous 1:41.xx & 1:42.xx 800m performances in Olympic & W.C. semifinal if 800m were raced, four turn stagger. Eight - hundred meters, T&F with four turn stagger would be similar to freestyle S&D, 200m. Guys would have no choice but to empty the tank, semifinal. 1976, only two turn stagger. Did you see the ladies, 800m empty the tank, semifinal? See Anita Weiss.
Considering the WR is at 1:40.91 it's definitely possible, but when do you guys think it will happen and who's the current guy with the best chance?
Considering what? What logic here? just because its at .91 means nothing. if its a 100m thats a ton, if its a steeple that changes it, 200m, oh its the 800M? a whole .91 of a WHOLE SECOND!!!! thats never going to happen. thats like a sub 3:39 mile. NEVER HAPPENING!!!!! EVERVVVVV
A generational talent can happen at any time but it could also take 20+ years.
The 800 is the strangest track event. Sometimes the best are 1500 specialists. Sometimes they are quite competitive in the 400 but usually not world class. Some are even 400 hurdlers. Some train 80mpw and some less than 20. An event where different types of talents clash.
Supershoes don't help (so far), training methods don't seem to have improved much in 40 years. Maybe 800m is too far for steroids and too short for EPO. I don't know.
The gym class participation posts have a point. There is no one stereotype for the kind of athlete that excels at the 800m. And how to develop them? In high school sprinters lift weights and sprint. Distance runners jog around to build aerobic capacity. But what in the middle?
I'm relatively new to the 800 - how often did Coe attempt the 400?
If the answer is "not very often," it's eminently possible that his true speed was much faster than 46.8 suggests.
Hey I just need to apologise for the poster named GreatDane. He is what used to be referred to back in the day as a retard
Mate throwing out insults like that is actually directly correlated to a low IQ. You’re not hurting anyone but yourself. Doesn’t affect me in the slightest. You also did not address my comment at all. Why would an athlete with 45.8 400m speed and exceptional speed endurance who trains specifically for the the 800m not be a candidate for a possible sub 1:40?
To break the WR it will take some serious wheels over 400m, I agree with what others have said about 800m being more of a sprint than distance event.
The problem is 400m runners have much more of an incentive to keep their focus on the 400 because there are many more spots on the Olympic/worlds team ( pool for both 4x4s). No incentive for them to move up to the 800m unfortunately.
Your second paragraph is jibbirish. The only relevant metric, is the distance that everyone one runs, which is the 400m. There’s no weird correlation between the 800m and marathon.
He didn't imply that there was a correlation between the 800 and the marathon, he only included it to make the point that seemingly impossible barriers tend to go down at unexpected times due to the emergence of freak talents as well as breakthroughs in the sport.
You missed that point completely, and decided to make a complete ass of yourself, but thankfully most of us didn't.
Please don’t insult my intelligence. He referred to a marathon progression as example to analyze the 800m WR. With the use of road racing shoes, and although Kiptum undoubtedly could have run faster, his WR isn’t probably isn’t all that better than Kimetto’s WR from 10 years ago.
Every 800m run on an all weather track, is apples to apples.
Do you read the other poster’s long, long posts? They might have one or two points in them, that everyone already knows. He should not be posting in any thread about racing, yet I’m one that’s an ass?
Eight - hundred meters hasn't improved much in seventy-five years. 1939, w.r., 1:46.6 I believe. My experience: From leather shoes and cinder to nylon shoes and synthetic track, 3 seconds per lap. Track athletes have been doing workouts with intervals since 18th Century. Besides getting 800m athletes to go all out from starting pistol in Olympic and W.C. semifinal, I don't see much room for improvement.
A generational talent can happen at any time but it could also take 20+ years.
The 800 is the strangest track event. Sometimes the best are 1500 specialists. Sometimes they are quite competitive in the 400 but usually not world class. Some are even 400 hurdlers. Some train 80mpw and some less than 20. An event where different types of talents clash.
Supershoes don't help (so far), training methods don't seem to have improved much in 40 years. Maybe 800m is too far for steroids and too short for EPO. I don't know.
The gym class participation posts have a point. There is no one stereotype for the kind of athlete that excels at the 800m. And how to develop them? In high school sprinters lift weights and sprint. Distance runners jog around to build aerobic capacity. But what in the middle?
What in the middle for high schoolers to develop the mix of killer speed and aerobic endurance? How about playing soccer? Of all the ball sports, the fitness for it translates best to mid-d success. A lot of the best American runners (Rupp, Centro, Fisher, etc.) started off as very good soccer players, and I'm sure this is the case with elite runners in other countries too. You could argue a similar translation is possible in lacrosse and ultimate frisbee, but those sports are more niche/conflict more with spring track, which further prevent those athletes from getting into the sport in the first place.
I think a lot of the nation's and the world's best 800m runners end up pursuing soccer instead. One poster mentioned Gareth Bale, I bet he or Cristiano Ronaldo could have been top 800m talents, but I don't blame them for not choosing track and field. Perhaps there is talent missing. Maybe we rarely get a true 800m runner like Rudisha because a lot of the other potential 800m specialists were all-in on soccer in their key developmental years, versus in other events like 5km-marathon, you can be pretty certain that the people who are most suited to those events have found their way into the sport.
Considering the WR is at 1:40.91 it's definitely possible, but when do you guys think it will happen and who's the current guy with the best chance?
I actually think someone of David Rudisha’s talent/ability could do it. It’s unfortunate that Rudisha’s career was fairly short-lived. He peaked when he was only 23 years old in 2012 where his PBs remained at 45.5/1:40.91. If he had been able to train and compete at his full potential for even another 3-4 years I think he would have done it.
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