Maybe some of them. But probably not the whole list.
None of their performances raise my antenna. And I have never been wrong before.. Not for the last 25 years. So until I get a sense of something different with performances, I will hold with my list.
Because it’s really important for our sport. The 1988 Olympics may be the greatest scandal in the history of organized sports, on par with the White Sox throwing the 1919 World Series.
Ok. You are correct. Now what??????
If it really is true that the Lewis camp conspired to adulterate Bens drink or otherwise cause him to test positive, Lewis should have his medal taken away. I say that as a big Lewis fan who regards him as one of the greatest athletes of all time. Congratulations, Calvin Smith gold medalist
If it really is true that the Lewis camp conspired to adulterate Bens drink or otherwise cause him to test positive, Lewis should have his medal taken away. I say that as a big Lewis fan who regards him as one of the greatest athletes of all time. Congratulations, Calvin Smith gold medalist
I really do wish more people would employ Occam's razor in their reasoning. If they did, the world would be a much better place given that it would be devoid of idiotic conspiracies.
I personally believe every sprinter in the 1988 Olympics final men and womens 100 meters final was completely dirty. The whole field in both races. They were on everything imaginable. Every last one of them! Poor Ben Johnson was just the dumb one that got caught. Everytime one of them who got caught from that era would say something like," my drink was spiked" or "an act of sabotage has been done". Ben Johnson was the only one that said," yeah I did it".
The spiked drink thing is exactly what Johnson said.
Maybe some of them. But probably not the whole list.
None of their performances raise my antenna. And I have never been wrong before.. Not for the last 25 years. So until I get a sense of something different with performances, I will hold with my list.
Just look at the sad list of doped 9.6 and 9.7 runners. You are guaranteed wrong here again.
100m Florence Griffith Joyner (United States) - 10.49 (7.0 m/s) 16 July 1988, US Olympic Trials, Indianapolis, United States
This race was the quarter-final of the U.S. Olympic trials in 1988. It was wind-aided and drug-aided! The wind gauge was faulty for the race in which Florence Griffith Joyner set this record.
A 1995 report commissioned by the IAAF estimated the true wind speed was between +5.0 m/s and +7.0 m/s that day in Indianapolis, rather than the 0.0 recorded.
See the video of this race on YouTube
You can clearly see her hair blowing in the wind at the start line and after the race.
Florence Griffith Joyner (aka ‘Flo Jo’) was on Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) big time in the 1980’s. As a result she started to grow facial had, her voice deepened, her muscles became bigger and she started running super fast.
A workout she did in 1988 involved a time trial of two 600m runs. Where she had to go through the first 400m in 49 seconds. So she was approaching the world record even in workouts. Crazy. Because she did PEDs to such an extreme extent, she died of the long term side effects in 1998 at the age of 38.
100m - Florence Griffith-Joyner - 10.49 - Indianapolis (USA) - 1988 - World RecordIn the first race of the quarterfinals of the U.S. Olympic Trials, she stun...
Stop spreading lies. She died from a seizure caused by a cavernoma, which is a type of venous malformation due to endothelial dysmorphogenesis from a lesion which is present at birth.
In my own opinion the last sprinter who was clean was Calvin Smith.
I would say him and the Brazilian Robson Da Silva in that final in Seoul; any race with Dennis Mitchell in it was suspicious for sure....
In an interview, Robson described what it was like running in that final. How he could see Johnson and much of the field just so easily pulling away from him.
Well let's not forget that Lance is white and like lots of white people who commit crimes and get off because... "he's from a good family and he's white. "
Stop spreading lies. She died from a seizure caused by a cavernoma, which is a type of venous malformation due to endothelial dysmorphogenesis from a lesion which is present at birth.
You lying. She died from a burst heart due to all the drugs pumped into her. Just like several body builders have died and continue to die.
I would say him and the Brazilian Robson Da Silva in that final in Seoul; any race with Dennis Mitchell in it was suspicious for sure....
In an interview, Robson described what it was like running in that final. How he could see Johnson and much of the field just so easily pulling away from him.
yeah I remember that-9.79 is a good documentary about that final....
I still remember the post-race interview of Ashford and FloJo: When the interviewer asked Ashford to talk about how amazing FloJo was, Ashford had this slightly sick expression on her face, as if she knew that a massively doped runner had just prevented her from repeating as the Olympic champion and stolen her rightful place as the best female sprinter ever.
Not sure what post-race interview this is. Olympics or Olympic Trials? Here is the interview immediately post-race in Seoul. It starts at about 4:48.
The interview that I (and apparently at least one other poster) have in mind showed the interviewer with both Ashford and FloJo at the same time, and you could see Ashford's expression when she was asked the question about FloJo. The YouTube video that you posted was apparently an interview of FloJo in the studio quite some time after the Olympic final that starts with at least two clips spiced together showing the race and separate interviews with the two women, so it's hard to know what other post-race interviews were televised. In the interview with Ashford in the YouTube video that you posted, Ashford responded to the question "Florence is something else, isn't she?", with the answer "You got that right!" In context, it's a wonderfully ambiguous comment by Ashford, who seemed like a class act.
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Then Evelyn Ashford should have asked for her money back coz clearly her drugs were far inferior to the ones that Flo-Jo was using...
and that, my friend, is part of the point.
The rumours have long been that Flo Jo was not only taking steroids, but experimenting with HGH too. That was not a substance in the GDR programme, and neither was it for other US female sprinters.
Flo Jo and her coach - effectively Bobby Kersee, who took her to 10.49w form, until she moved to her husband before Seoul - experimented with this 'new' drug, and she turned into wonder woman. Ashford and co didn't have a clue.
I feel fairly confident that FloJo was taking HGH, too. I'm not sure how you know that HGH was not a part of the East German doping program in the year or two before the fall of the Berlin Wall in November 1989, or how you know that it wasn't being used by other US female sprinters. HGH doping was no secret back then. I have at least two publicly available books addressing HGH doping that I obtained more than a year before the 1988 Olympic Games, one devoted exclusively to the subject, and I interviewed at least one of the authors in early 1987 while preparing a fairly substantial paper on the economic analysis of regulatory restrictions on performance-enhancing practices in sport.
Regarding Evelyn Ashford, I carefully avoided making any claim that she was "clean" throughout her entire career; I don't have direct knowledge one way or the other, and I'm pretty confident that you don't, either. But I'm familiar with advances in doping tests (perhaps most notably revealed at the 1983 Pan American Games, when a number of athletes were busted for anabolic steroids and U.S. weight men, including a number of those in track and field, suddenly packed up and left without comment before their own competitions and doping tests came up), and am also familiar with the more general practice in those days of alerting athletes before competitions where drug testers were planning to show up. I've never heard of Evelyn Ashford being involved or implicated in any of that.
Yall are always talking as if FLoJo woke up one tuesday and ran 10.49 as if she not already an Olympic Silver Medalist
Meh
Yes she won a silver medal in the 200M in 22.04. Certainly not a fantastic time as the WR at the time was 21.71. So to claim a correlation to 21.3 is a hard sell.
Also, the Soviet-led boycott of the 1984 Olympics eliminated most of her competition. Just from East Germany, Koch, Gohr, and Wockel were all faster.
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