So there you have it, the term 'EPO era' is a misnomer because they never stopped using. It's laughable that people claimed for so long that today's athletes are cleaner than those of the past.
Also love the subtle implied shot at Katir he includes
I like Jakob but he is talking out of his arse. Anti-doping is way more sophisticated and thorough than it was in 2014. The Jama Aden group I think we all know was doped to the gills and they could not nail Makhloufi/Genzebe/Souleiman. By 2021, Aden had a runner steal the silver medal at the 10K (Gezahegne) but anti-doping while slow to move had her out of the sport in 1 year. Certainly there is a possibility someone like Katir was microdosing and manipulating the whereabouts system. It sounds like Spanish anti-doping was conveniently not testing him either. But he did get cornered and banned. I think most of the doping now is not nearly as aggressive as it was in 2014 due to ABP, more targeted testing and the like.
Rule of thumb is the methods of catching and testing are ALWAYS behind. No reason to believe doping is not as prevalent as in past times. There are many way to do it and to different degrees with super high assurance you won't get caught as long as you are not careless. It's just too easy.
The intelligence of all athletes who have lost their souls to the sickness(Rev 9:3) has increased hugely. These are fallen angel hybrid humans. They are smarter...much smarter. They are also part of a hive mind collective....in that all these angel spirits and demons owned (under the authority of Satan) are connected and by this can communicate to each other in a telepathic manner.
To anyone still 'alive' ie still human this may sound like science fiction but I assure you its true and I witness it daily.
The truth is that we live in a biblical world and for those who struggle to accept that I advise you to pray and ask The Creator I AM for guidance that you may survive whats coming.
That’s Trt or medicine. You shoot yourself in the foot by being an alcoholic and not sleeping well and being fat for years? Trt. You run 100s of miles per week and have 8% bodyfat and hypogonadism? Trt.
Look, I like Jakob, but he clearly has a big head. But is he a demon-human hybrid? I don’t think so. I just want to see the guy run some good times and accomplish some cool feats. I don’t expect him to be a perfect person
No, we're supposed to believe that training as a professional runner, in a family of professional runners, with a professional coach as his father, since age 13, PLUS his immense talent is what made him the best in the world. Not saying its any more believable, just painting a more realistic picture of why one might argue Jakob is clean.
The "family of professional runners" is two brothers who ran decently well, one who never medaled and another who never even made finals. The sister did even less.
The "professional coach" never coached a single runner until that set of kid.
100% of Kenyan making a national team have a more impressive background of training partners and coaches than that. Will you give them a free pass, too?
No, we're supposed to believe that training as a professional runner, in a family of professional runners, with a professional coach as his father, since age 13, PLUS his immense talent is what made him the best in the world. Not saying it’s any more believable, just painting a more realistic picture of why one might argue Jakob is clean.
Geerts was not a professional coach. He has never coached before he started coaching his sons.
So let’s rephrase this:
Jakob is coached by his father, a self taught coach, who never coached before. With a brother that appeared on the likely doping list. In a country that never tested anyone under 18.
Not saying he’s doping. Just painting a realistic picture of why it seems like it.
You don´t know the facts! Jakob was tested when he was under 18.
It was first later there (for a time) was no testing for the under eighteens in Norway.
I understand this is what Narve fans say. He looked maxed out at 7:43 for 3k last year too. Was that the heat too?
You are correct here -Narve has looked maxed out in more than one race (including the 5000m) not being hot… But there are also every year races (wins) where he clearly has much more in the tank (f.ex 3000m’s)…
I don’t know if I say these things because I’m a Narve fan. -I think it’s more principles. F.ex I’m not a Shelby fan (hasn’t followed her) and neither a Katir fan, but I defend them both…
I’m not a doping apologist. I honestly have no idea about the prevalence. In my view all the Ingebrigtsens and Narve may very well be dopers -there are nothing about them being Norwegians or not having the suspicious infrastructure around them (that Lance and M. Jones had) that says they can’t dope. But this goes for all athletes…
The devil is in the details, and we don’t have them. When posters f.ex find Katir more suspicious than Narve, f.ex based of one running 3.28 and the other only 3.29, (or home country or country of origin), this is easy to answer: The first one could simply be more talented in the 1500m than the latter (and it could f.ex be reverse in the 5000m), and every country has traits in their culture that are contrary: f.es Morocco may have some culture for doping but may also have traits that are highly opposed to this, (that f.ex may not be as strong in f.ex Norway) f.ex based on religious or other traits that regard cheating and lies as something really really bad. And we don’t know which traits a certain athlete is influenced of…
Both you and I know far to little about the details around Nordås -and I put (maybe too much) importance to some of the things we know whereas you seem to downplay the same, or even ignore. But that difference (that always will be in a discussion) isn’t that important -there’s no way we can determine doping based on the things that catches the eye around f.ex Nordås and Katir…
The "family of professional runners" is two brothers who ran decently well, one who never medaled and another who never even made finals.
Not sure how you can be this blatantly false with your facts, Henrik made plenty of global finals (5th in London Olympics 2012, 8th at Moscow 2013) and Filip earned bronze at London WCs 2017. I might even be missing some there
Most confirmed dopers aren’t even elite. In Norway f.ex, doping authorities have revealed a huge steroid problem among youngsters who don’t even compete. Of course Jakob is better than these, but also better than elite athletes that dope, but never have been anywhere near his training history or performance level -doping can of course (if you know what you are doing) make you better, but of course not into a world beater by itself… So of course he can beat a field of dopers..! The question is if he can beat athletes who are near his performance level (clean) and then start to dope. But we don’t know for sure if there are any…
I like your comment actually. It makes great sense. Dopers don't necessarily are at the level of Jakob in the first place so it puts in question the point of doping. First you need to be damn good like Jakob and then dope to beat him!!!! Otherwise, you need to better than Jakob by nature of being unradiated by anthropogenic RFs and beat Jakob that way as well. Such as Daniel Komen, Haile Geb, Kenenisa Bekele and EL G who were all better than Jakob off the bat right at the start!!!!
So there you have it, the term 'EPO era' is a misnomer because they never stopped using. It's laughable that people claimed for so long that today's athletes are cleaner than those of the past.
Also love the subtle implied shot at Katir he includes
Does seem an odd thing to say. Hard to believe that the 1500/5000 was cleaner when the likes of Kiprop, Manangoi, Makhaloufi, and Doorbell Mo were winning.and teh ABP .hadn't started catching people.
Are you sure? Let’s do a thought experiment: Take 2023 rankings (1500m) 1,2 and 3 -Ingebrigtsen, Nuguse, Kerr, and let’s pretend all three are clean (just for the sake of it)…
Jakob’s pb 3.27.14 - Yared: 3.29.02 -Josh: 3.29.05. But then Yared and Josh start mikro dosing (or doing an undetectable designer drug) -again just for the sake of it- while Jakob stays clean…
We don’t know the effect of drugs (they can be none or have significant impact), but let’s say they boost the performances…
So here comes the question: Is it possible that Nuguse and Kerr only get 1.5 seconds help from the drugs? If the answer is yes, well then Jakob beats the next guys even if they dope!
Closing words: Some will say that the logic here is flawed, because nobody runs 3.27.14 (Jakob) clean. But I don’t agree -I’m pretty sure Herbert Elliott was clean (no performance boosting drugs available), and his 3.35.6 race is, IMO, better than 3.27.14 (everything adjusted for)…
So there you have it, the term 'EPO era' is a misnomer because they never stopped using. It's laughable that people claimed for so long that today's athletes are cleaner than those of the past.
Also love the subtle implied shot at Katir he includes
Does seem an odd thing to say. Hard to believe that the 1500/5000 was cleaner when the likes of Kiprop, Manangoi, Makhaloufi, and Doorbell Mo were winning.and teh ABP .hadn't started catching people.
Who is this Makhaloufi you speak of? Is he related to Kenio, or Wanayonony?
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