The most likely right now is speeding/sleep/accident. Someone survived.. she will tell a story if she hopefully continues to survive. Oh and someone please ban "Khamis".
Lesson: Wear a seatbelt.
My understanding is that Kiptum was wearing a seat belt and it somehow ripped. A number of papers reported that: "Kiptum was lying under the car with his seat belt ripped and he was already dead..."
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Chinese company he initially signed with before somehow backing out and going to Nike right before London. That whole thing was so weird. Not saying that it could have had anything to do with this but if anything it possibly showed a lack of judgement on his part or his team.
Good point. After reading Gault’s tribute article, it seems there’s a lot we don’t know about Kiptum: the shoe company thing, his true age, why he claimed to not have a coach when he actually did, who those shady people are that this father mentioned, the circumstances of his death, etc. I hope Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel investigates this.
While I do not believe a single conspiracy here.. The only speculation for a cartel motive that makes sense would be if the doping got too out of hand, and somebody was bound to get caught. They have to protect the system, or their money stream is shut off.
Insert Lance death threats, but 3rd world
Also, if you don’t think that collision was head on, you are dumb. The hood was untouched, sure. But the tree was in the ditch, and the car could have absolutely been on 2 wheels. There’s some side impact, but windshield & roof is CLEARLY slammed to the rear
While I do not believe a single conspiracy here.. The only speculation for a cartel motive that makes sense would be if the doping got too out of hand, and somebody was bound to get caught. They have to protect the system, or their money stream is shut off.
Insert Lance death threats, but 3rd world
Also, if you don’t think that collision was head on, you are dumb. The hood was untouched, sure. But the tree was in the ditch, and the car could have absolutely been on 2 wheels. There’s some side impact, but windshield & roof is CLEARLY slammed to the rear
To me...the first question(s) you should be asking is if there is foul play. Why? Because evidence will evade you and degrade in time. If it is a true accident, which I hope it was, it will be self-evident. To me though, there is a bit of smoke swirling here and trying to find the flame fast is necessary in my opinion. Will we solve it here, obviously no, but I think it is "good form" to ask these kind of questions. On the flipside though, I think if it's fair to question outside foul play, it's fair to question what role did Kiptum himself actually have in it if any?
The fact is that Kenya in 2013, the last data indicated in this wiki page, had a road fatality rate 40 times as great per 100,000 automobiles than the United States (640 vs. 16 deaths/100,000 cars). I have no doubt that it is much worse in Kenya now because there are a lot more vehicles there. I have witnessed how in many African countries there will be, because of the shortage of vehicles, many passengers crowded together in mini-vans/mini-buses and in the backs of pickup trucks (where I hitched on many occasions in East Africa), so they do not do well in accidents, and the roads are often narrow. Along the major highway in Mali leading out of Bamako, for instance, the tarmac was not wide enough to two buses to pass each other, so that each had to move half off the road to pass safely. The sides of the road are littered with burnt out husks of buses and other vehicles.
This list of countries by traffic-related death rate shows the annual number of road fatalities per capita per year, per number of motor vehicles, and per vehicle-km in some countries in the year the data was collected. Accor...
Why do you want to ban him? While I entirely disagree with him, this idiocy of calling people you don't agree with to get banned needs to stop.... Skip the post if you cant handle it
Politely suggesting malfeasance is one thing. Suggesting Kipchoge orchestrated it is irresponsible.
The fact is that Kenya in 2013, the last data indicated in this wiki page, had a road fatality rate 40 times as great per 100,000 automobiles than the United States (640 vs. 16 deaths/100,000 cars). I have no doubt that it is much worse in Kenya now because there are a lot more vehicles there. I have witnessed how in many African countries there will be, because of the shortage of vehicles, many passengers crowded together in mini-vans/mini-buses and in the backs of pickup trucks (where I hitched on many occasions in East Africa), so they do not do well in accidents, and the roads are often narrow. Along the major highway in Mali leading out of Bamako, for instance, the tarmac was not wide enough to two buses to pass each other, so that each had to move half off the road to pass safely. The sides of the road are littered with burnt out husks of buses and other vehicles.
It doesn't matter - we know that roads (and everything else) is a lot more dangerous in Kenya, but it still seems incredible that out of the 6000 or so road deaths a year, out of a population approaching 60 million, one of those deaths was the marathon WR holder and likely to become the most famous man in Kenya, perhaps the most famous Kenyan ever, and of course, one of the richest men in Kenya (he already was, despite his brief career).
Similarly, there are around 3,000 murders in Kenya each year, and one of them in 2024 happened to be an elite marathoner in Iten.
Why do you want to ban him? While I entirely disagree with him, this idiocy of calling people you don't agree with to get banned needs to stop.... Skip the post if you cant handle it
Politely suggesting malfeasance is one thing. Suggesting Kipchoge orchestrated it is irresponsible.
Yes you are correct. The average level of intelligence among posters is not high, so there are mediocre minds here polluting every thread. Eliud is an old man now in athletic terms. There are probably half a dozen marathoners who can now beat him, and more every eyed. I suppose he will have them all eliminated? So many are so enveloped in their pedestrian minds that they cannot seem to delve into how absurd their “analysis” is, so we get these preposterous posts.
The fact is that Kenya in 2013, the last data indicated in this wiki page, had a road fatality rate 40 times as great per 100,000 automobiles than the United States (640 vs. 16 deaths/100,000 cars). I have no doubt that it is much worse in Kenya now because there are a lot more vehicles there. I have witnessed how in many African countries there will be, because of the shortage of vehicles, many passengers crowded together in mini-vans/mini-buses and in the backs of pickup trucks (where I hitched on many occasions in East Africa), so they do not do well in accidents, and the roads are often narrow. Along the major highway in Mali leading out of Bamako, for instance, the tarmac was not wide enough to two buses to pass each other, so that each had to move half off the road to pass safely. The sides of the road are littered with burnt out husks of buses and other vehicles.
It doesn't matter - we know that roads (and everything else) is a lot more dangerous in Kenya, but it still seems incredible that out of the 6000 or so road deaths a year, out of a population approaching 60 million, one of those deaths was the marathon WR holder and likely to become the most famous man in Kenya, perhaps the most famous Kenyan ever, and of course, one of the richest men in Kenya (he already was, despite his brief career).
Similarly, there are around 3,000 murders in Kenya each year, and one of them in 2024 happened to be an elite marathoner in Iten.
Why is it incredible? It is not incredible to the intelligent.
Seems far fetched for Kipchoge to have been involved directly, but it's more than plausible for him to be connected to this cartel, whether voluntarily or through extortion, as he's the richest athlete in Kenya. Maybe the mob was seeking a similar arrangement with Kiptum and he rebuffed them.
Between the four strange men, the front of the car being undamaged, the Facebook posts, and the shady Chinese company, it seems more likely than not that there's more than meets the eye to this story. I hope we learn more, but I don't think the Kenyan police are going to be very helpful.
Seems far fetched for Kipchoge to have been involved directly, but it's more than plausible for him to be connected to this cartel, whether voluntarily or through extortion, as he's the richest athlete in Kenya. Maybe the mob was seeking a similar arrangement with Kiptum and he rebuffed them.
Between the four strange men, the front of the car being undamaged, the Facebook posts, and the shady Chinese company, it seems more likely than not that there's more than meets the eye to this story. I hope we learn more, but I don't think the Kenyan police are going to be very helpful.
Or he was not being careful and crashed his car while not wearing a seat belt.
I am more concerned today regarding possible murder. Vehicle appears to have been hit by a larger vehicle, rear end. We have to protect our stars, we have to protect T&F athletes in general. This is like the equivalent in U.S. of Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson dying in auto collision.
Good. This is for the police to figure out, not for the resident letsrun conspiracy idiots to drool over.
Letsrun played a not so insignificant part in catching the Boston Bomber, so it's got that going for it.
And this might be why they are so many unregistered posters passionately telling us to shut up and that it was obviously an accident. Wonder if they have Kenyan IPs?
