Conner Mantz 4x 3mile Workout Video… he’s the man to beat in Orland

Is Kiptum running in Orlando?

26F on less than ideal running surface at 4500ft with 3:30 rec with the last 3 miles in 13:48.

I'm 100% sure you've NEVER done a workout remotely close to that...Zzzz.

STFU...meh!

Technically he’s not an Olympian until he arrives in Paris with the USA Olympic Team. Some may argue he needs to also at least start the marathon. (See Nuguse, 2021 Tokyo Olympics)

Kiplagat can't enter the discussion either

He'll finish 6th

An ideal marathon prep. is not one workout. You can’t judge anything from this workout except that he isn’t injured and he is not prepared for Orlando weather.

That's if he is lucky.

How is this a projected marathon pace workout? It averages at around 2:02 marathon pace. With the best will in the world, none of these guys are getting anywhere close to that. This is more like a half marathon pace workout.

I also saw that Zach Panning ran a marathon simulator workout at 2:05 pace. Again, how is that realistic for him? I know athletes have to be optimistic, but that needs to be tempered by some level of realism.

I'm not just bashing these guys, but if they're aiming for marathon-specific workouts, then why are they running so much faster than they are capable? Why aren't their coaches keeping them in check?

I guarantee now that if Mantz and Young go out even at the lowest end of that workout range (4:45, or 2:04 marathon pace), they blow up around 30k and don't go to Paris. If they go out at 4:40, they'll be done by half way.

How many of you have actually trained for long distance running? You don't do every single workout at the exact goal pace you have for a coming race. Some are faster. Some are slow and long. I'm pretty sure a high school kid could tell you that. Stop acting like this is the only workout they ever do to prep.

No one's disputing that, but they called it, and I quote, a "predicted marathon pace" workout. They didn't call it "predicted marathon pace -10 seconds"

As a big Mantz fan, I do wonder if his tendency to hammer workouts is not optimal for his marathon. Does he do long hard runs like Canova mentioned in the Panning thread? Rather than workouts faster than pace, does he do 40k at 95% of goal pace? As good as Connor is, he hasn’t finished a marathon well.

I actually agree with this post. As much as I like Mantz and think he’s our best marathon talent at the moment, I do wonder if he runs his workouts too hard and, frankly, doesn’t take enough down time after actual marathons. I’m not surprised he had a stress reaction after Chicago. I do wonder if more recovery and more Canova-type long run efforts would get him to the 2:05 he is capable of versus these 8-10 mile PMPs which are actually PHMPs. To be fair, it’s hard to do a perfect simulation at altitude.

I still wouldn’t bet against this kid.

I wouldn't think 8 miles a few seconds faster than marathon pace (at sea level) would be that big a lift - even if he hammered the last mile.

True, but what is marathon pace? Like 4:53 per mile in perfect conditions? 4:50 someday.

PHMP is a little disingenuous, but you get my point.

I grew up in a snowy region and we ran on similar roads in the winter. We ran facing traffic and hopped onto the shoulder of the road as the cars approached and passed by. I wouldn't do it again. It's a runner's choice though. It's dangerous and regardless of having the right of way or a share the road mentality a runner will lose all collisions with a car whether caused by an accident or otherwise.

Looking at his Strava account I would predict an excellent half marathon in his near future.

I think we do have to credit Eyestone’s training in getting Young to a well-executed 2:08:00. There is clearly enough marathon prep in the system therefore him . So by all accounts Mantz and Young think Mantz is maybe 90 seconds fitter? Sure it could be the training but I’d think race day execution (pacing, fueling), workouts too hard (as you say), insufficient recovery etc are where I’d go to over the workouts/system.

No treadmills were injured during this workout; impressive

For sure bro