Don't know why people think Fisher will win this race when historically, against international fields, he almost always falls short. I'm a huge fan of Grant but unfortunately I don't think he has what it takes to deal with the pressure. Kerr will get the record in 8:02.13 and Fisher will finish second in a respectable 8:07.91.
Championships: 5th at the Olympics, 4th and 6th at Worlds
Diamond League: Monaco 7:28 (3rd), Brussels 12:46 (2nd), Zurich Final 13:01 (3rd), Zurich 12:54 (3rd), Eugene Final 7:25 (3rd)
Fisher is consistently one of the best 3k/5k/10k athletes in the world. In top shape he will bury Kerr over 2 miles. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Didn't see you list a single first place finish? My point still stands.
I'm not anti-Grant Fisher, I'm just saying he doesn't have what it takes to win at the international level. He's content with podium spots, which tells me he won't take the victory or the WR in this race against international competition.
3. is cooper teare going to show up? dude needs to build some hype after the let down of last year.
looking forward to this
My gut feeling is that Teare’s gonna have a return to form. Maybe 4th place behind Kerr, Fisher and Klecker—of course, we’ll have a better idea in a couple weeks. I think he can run under 8:10, maybe 8:07.
I can’t argue with those saying Fisher is the favorite over Kerr, given his 7:25/12:46 PRs. But I will say I think Kerr could have run sub-7:30 outdoors, and that his kick in last year’s Millrose 3k was very impressive. There also won’t be any guys running 7:23 (or the 2-mile equivalent) to help drag Fisher away from Kerr.
The little fantasy scenario that plays in my head is:
-Kerr leads after the pacer drops and the pace slips off WR schedule
-Fisher takes over with 800 to go and opens a gap on Kerr and the rest
-Just when it looks like the race is decided, Kerr finds a massive last lap kick and wins in 8:02.8 (WR) to Fisher’s 8:03.4
Same. Also surprised Parsons is in this field. The rest of the field is much higher caliber. Would be ridiculous if they selected him over Luis.
Why are we just putting things out here if we don't have any idea if someone was chosen over someone else. Grijalva should have a spot on the start line in front of a lot of people in this field -- & that's not a knock on the field. He was 2nd in this field (to Kerr) last year. But let's not act like Sam didn't have some good indoor races last year. He ran 7:39/13:12. Always good to fill fields with guys who have a shot at a NR so you can claim X # of them if it's a fast race. Don't see the issue here & like Kerr backing up his 3k win last year by taking on everyone again over 2 miles. Should be a fun race.
My gut feeling is that Teare’s gonna have a return to form. Maybe 4th place behind Kerr, Fisher and Klecker—of course, we’ll have a better idea in a couple weeks. I think he can run under 8:10, maybe 8:07.
I can’t argue with those saying Fisher is the favorite over Kerr, given his 7:25/12:46 PRs. But I will say I think Kerr could have run sub-7:30 outdoors, and that his kick in last year’s Millrose 3k was very impressive. There also won’t be any guys running 7:23 (or the 2-mile equivalent) to help drag Fisher away from Kerr.
The little fantasy scenario that plays in my head is:
-Kerr leads after the pacer drops and the pace slips off WR schedule
-Fisher takes over with 800 to go and opens a gap on Kerr and the rest
-Just when it looks like the race is decided, Kerr finds a massive last lap kick and wins in 8:02.8 (WR) to Fisher’s 8:03.4
But I’m usually very wrong.
The Teare "decline" was actually pretty overrated in my eyes, except for USA R1 and the DL 5,000m 13:19. Lot of guys have their ups and downs in DL 5,000s so I wouldn't overreact to it.
In track 1500/miles/3ks in 2023: -7:34.7 (4th) -3:52.5mile (2nd) -3:34.9 (win) -3:32.7 (4th) -3:39.3 (USAs bomb, which we've heard his perspective on tactically and prep-wise) -3:33.6 (win) -3:34.8 (4th) -3:35.5 (win)
So to me, he's pretty consistent and I'd expect him to be in 7:30-7:32 shape (in a fast race) for the 3K and 3:33/3:50 shape for the mile.
As far as how the race plays out, it kind of depends on where Fisher is in training. It sounds like his coach and him have been raving at his current form. If that is the case, with no wind indoors this could very well be a runaway. Kerr could be in very good shape (8:02-8:05 shape), but Fisher could be in sub-8 shape and that's not really a stretch considering he's run 12:46.9 and 7:25 (on limited training). This isn't a knock on Kerr, more just how indoors racing can go when it's just a straight fitness contest and this is a secondary event for him. You could see a mirror race to Nuguse in the Wanamaker mile last year where he just destroyed everyone the last quarter of the race and a strong-finishing Gourley came up for a still good performance.
This is what is wrong with our sport. The beginning of the season and people already only care about One race.
And they should. How can the Millrose Games compare to the Olympics? The 77K stadium in Paris is sold out for track and field and there will be a massive TV audience. The Olympics are the one competition that everyone wants to win and that’s what makes them great.
You clearly aren't a fan of track then. You're a fan of the olympics
And they should. How can the Millrose Games compare to the Olympics? The 77K stadium in Paris is sold out for track and field and there will be a massive TV audience. The Olympics are the one competition that everyone wants to win and that’s what makes them great.
You clearly aren't a fan of track then. You're a fan of the olympics
Stop gatekeeping track fandom.
if someone enjoys seeing the best on best at their peak preparation, then they’re allowed to prefer that over an agent/brand selected field of various abilities, fitness, intentions and goals.
where is the line in “track fandom”? if World Athletics put on a 1500 every weekend of the year for $X prize per event, what amount of attendance would make you muppets happy?
You clearly aren't a fan of track then. You're a fan of the olympics
Stop gatekeeping track fandom.
if someone enjoys seeing the best on best at their peak preparation, then they’re allowed to prefer that over an agent/brand selected field of various abilities, fitness, intentions and goals.
where is the line in “track fandom”? if World Athletics put on a 1500 every weekend of the year for $X prize per event, what amount of attendance would make you muppets happy?
This guy is on a hype post about the Millrose field saying it doesn't matter. Why are you guys even commenting? You can go on an you thread about the Olympics and comment how nothing matters until the Olympic 1500m final. 😂
There are non-lottery rookies in the NBA making $10k per game and we wonder why track will never actually be bigger. People like you guys don't want to appreciate the regular season. You can be a fan once every 4 years or you can actually enjoy track and enjoy the entire season. Imagine if every weekend NFL fans said nothing matters 😂😂 that's dumb as hell man.
And they should. How can the Millrose Games compare to the Olympics? The 77K stadium in Paris is sold out for track and field and there will be a massive TV audience. The Olympics are the one competition that everyone wants to win and that’s what makes them great.
You clearly aren't a fan of track then. You're a fan of the olympics
No, I’m very much a fan of track and am looking for people to run very fast at Millrose. My point is that it’s silly to accuse people of ducking someone at an indoor meet, or predicting a slow pace, because people or more concerned about winning, than getting a PR.
Last year, Tuohy ran an outstanding 8:35 3000m indoors, but all people seem to remember was her bad 1500m race at the outdoor NCAA championships. Indoor track is just not that important.
You clearly aren't a fan of track then. You're a fan of the olympics
No, I’m very much a fan of track and am looking for people to run very fast at Millrose. My point is that it’s silly to accuse people of ducking someone at an indoor meet, or predicting a slow pace, because people or more concerned about winning, than getting a PR.
Last year, Tuohy ran an outstanding 8:35 3000m indoors, but all people seem to remember was her bad 1500m race at the outdoor NCAA championships. Indoor track is just not that important.
To be fair Tuohy was approaching NCAA immortality and her fans loved to disrespect all of her real competition. Then she lost everything essentially at the outdoor meet.
*Outside of her annoying fans and the outdoor meet it was a great season tho.
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There’s the metric mile, and that actually makes sense.
yea lets run 3.75 laps when we could run 4 (or 3 if tracks s had stayed 500m)
No, it makes sense because it is the traditional metric race distance closest to the mile. The 1600m and 3200m distances exist in HS only because of the desire to continue to race 4 and 8 laps.
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Kerr wants to run a 2 mile but not the 3k at world indoors where it’s a straight final? Kerr wants to run a 2 mile and isn’t even sure if he will lead it? Kerr wants to run 8:03 but not the superior time of 7:54 by Jakob Ingebrigtsen? What a joke, this guy is not a world champion. When all is said and done, his win will have been a fluke.
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