Want my girlfriend to get an IUD but she doesn't want to

RunRagged wrote:

factually wrote:

Dude, did you even read my post? I said one crummy day right after getting it. That's what happens. Stop sensationalizing it. Do people get dental work even though it's sucks? Can you find a NY times article for me on that?

Jesus man.

Yes, I read your post. Here's what you said in full:

Honestly for a woman to refuse is annoying. I've been in long term relationships with sexual women who had them for years and not once did I hear "oh goodness my IUD is really bothering me today" they don't even feel it once it's in.

I get that it's"her choice" but it's still annoying that she's against it for some reason. Makes no sense, reminds me of the anti vaxx crowd - clear long term benefits and one crummy day immediately after getting it.

In response, I said you don't know what you're talking about.

But unlike you, I didn't base my claim solely on what I've surmised based on second-hand observations of a small number of women I've known personally through LTSRs.

Nor did I base my claim solely on my own personal experience with IUD insertion and the excruciating pain and alarming amount of bleeding and clotting it caused me.

Instead, I posted excerpts from a timely NY Times article - published just yesterday! - which shows that quite a few women apart from me and some women I know personally have and do experience excruciating pain during and after IUD insertion.

Now by likening getting an IUD inserted and having dental work done, you're just making it even more obvious that you don't know what you're talking about.

Pain relief is part and parcel of modern dentistry. Dentists use an array of medications to make sure their patients can't feel any pain during dental procedures.

Even when getting routine procedures like cavities filled, dental patients are given local anesthetic to totally numb the area before the dentist proceeds. If the numbing medication starts to wear off during a procedured, all a patient has to do is raise a hand and the dentist will adminster more medication so that the area being worked on returns to being totally numbed.

Modern gynecology is very different to modern dentistry in this regard. HCPs in gynecology do not customarily offer, recommend or give girls and women any meaningful pain relief when doing a host of invasive procedures that a not insignficant number of us find painful - such as IUD insertion, cervical smear tests (Pap smears), use of a vaginal speculum during pelvic exams, and palpation of the ovaries and uterus.

AFAICT, the main reason there's such a vast difference between the way patients' pain is treated in dentistry and gynecology is that men and boys get dental work done just as much as women and girls do - but gynecological procedures like IUD insertion and smear tests are done only on women and girls.

Instead of being offered the kind of pain relief analogous to the pain relief routinely given in dental procedures, women and girls who undergo gynecological procedures that many of us find painful are routinely told tough shxt, suck it up. We're told these procedures can't really hurt as much as some of us say - and even they do hurt, and hurt a whole lot, who cares, it's not really a big deal since the pain won't kill us and it will go away in time.

Were also told that since pain is supposedly women's lot in life anyways, we have no right to refuse procedures many of us find painful - especially when the men in our lives are demanding that we get such procedures for their convenience and pleasure as in OP's case.

Indeed, men like you have the brass neck and bollocks to whinge that "honestly for a woman to refuse is annoying." Then for the kicker you claim that women who show the human tendency to try to avoid pain in this scenario "makes no sense."

Worse, women and girls are regularly told that the pain many of us feel during these sorts of gynecological procedures - and afterwards - isn't real, that it's all in our heads.

On top of that, we're scolded and derided by men like you who issue orders from on high telling women like me to "stop it" and shut up about pain that only female people can possibly go through. Because you think discussing a health matter in a newspaper like the NYT or in online forums is the same as "sensationalizing it."