Jon Lovitz has a bit about this subject but I can't find it on youtube. He tells his therapist that he is going to identify as an Asian woman. He tells his therapist to address him as Madame Woo. The therapist says "How are you today Madame Woo"? And Lovitz replies "Frankly Doc, my balls itch".
A perfect summation of the gender is separate from sex argument.
Looks like UW rescended the offer stating they didn't know it was a male and it wasn't disclosed during recruiting.
Their recruiters don't have access to the interwebs?
And what would they have found with access to the "interweb"?
A 2016 LA Times article that does not reveal the name of this student. (It is linked to the first page of this thread. She is referred to as "T.") And a documentary film also from 2016 that does not identify the student by her name and does not show her face. The only clue you can link to the student is her mother who is identified in the film.
How could Washington coaches have figured out that their recruit is this "T" in the article and the film?
A piece of information that wasn't clear when this story first broke is that the 12 women's volleyball scholarships available at the University of Washington are distributed amongst student-atheltes in all four undergraduate years. So there aren't 12 scholarships up for grabs each year - there are just a couple.
This means Drageset had been recruited and selected for one of probably two or three Washington's women's volleyball scholarships available - not one of 12.
A piece of information that wasn't clear when this story first broke is that the 12 women's volleyball scholarships available at the University of Washington are distributed amongst student-atheltes in all four undergraduate years.
Anyone who is remotely familiar with indoor volleyball, or NCAA sports in general, could easily figure out that it's 12 scholarships for the team.
I hate that it's had to come to this. I don't like kids being at the center of these scandals. but just like with doping, when you feel bad for dopers and what they have to go through, remember there are a lot of people who's names you don't know who suffered greatly from their decision to cheat in the first place.
Same goes for trans athletes. They know it isn't fair to compete alongside cis girls. They know what they are taking from them. They are making that choice.
Their recruiters don't have access to the interwebs?
And what would they have found with access to the "interweb"?
A 2016 LA Times article that does not reveal the name of this student. (It is linked to the first page of this thread. She is referred to as "T.") And a documentary film also from 2016 that does not identify the student by her name and does not show her face. The only clue you can link to the student is her mother who is identified in the film.
How could Washington coaches have figured out that their recruit is this "T" in the article and the film?
The film you're speaking of, "Trans-mission" isn't really a documentary even by the loosest standard imaginable. It's a hagiographic puff piece about Tate and the Drageset family, mainly Tate's parents, made for personal PR, virtue-signaling and attention-seeking purposes. Its propaganda for a poltical campaign and religious crusade in which adults are using kids like Tate as guinea pigs in a social and medical experiment that's already earning a track record as one of the biggest medical scandals ever.
The aim of the movie seems to be promoting and endorsing the idea of "child transgenderism," glorifying and glamorizng Tate, shining a glowing light on Tate's mom and dad, and depicting the two parents and what they're doing to their poor child as noble and praiseworthy.
Not surprisingly, since I saw it a few days ago, "Trans-mission" has been scrubbed from the the wesbite it was on - and now the entire website has been taken down too.
But from the clips I saw of the film when it was still up, the movie made it clear that the subject of the film is a blonde-haired nine-year-old volleyball player living in West Los Angeles whose first name is "Tate." The film prominently shows a volleyball with the name "TATE" written on it in big letters in marker.
The film also has lots of footage showing the faces of Tate's mom, dad older sister and younger brother that makes them all identifiable.
What's more, the music video for the film's theme song - "My Name Is Sparkle" - has numerous scenes that show Tate's face from different angles in a variety of settings along with the faces of Tate's mom, dad, brother, sister and assorted friends.
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True, the music video doesn't identify Tate by name, and the song lyrics don't say that it's about someone "trans." But the music video does start off with an announcement by the man who sings it that the tune is the theme song for "a doc about a nine-year old trans" (sic) - his words, not mine.
Then the video proceeds to show a lingering shot of Tate's long flowing blonde hair from the back, Tate's mother proudly beaming face full-on from the front, and a long still shot of the volleyball that says "TATE" on it. There's footage of the "nine-year-old trans" (sic) - again, not my phrasing - playing volleyball too.
Since there aren't any other players in Los Angeles or California girls' volleyball whose first name is Tate, I don't think it would be very hard for college recruiters with half a brain to figure out that the blonde-haired "trans" child whose volleyball says "TATE" seen in the film "Trans-Mission" - and the music video for the film's theme song - is the same blonde-haired Tate who's currently a HS junior in Los Angeles set to start college in the fall of 2025, and who's a standout star in Southern California girls' HS, club and now professional exhibition volleyball.
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Their recruiters don't have access to the interwebs?
And what would they have found with access to the "interweb"?
A 2016 LA Times article that does not reveal the name of this student. (It is linked to the first page of this thread. She is referred to as "T.") And a documentary film also from 2016 that does not identify the student by her name and does not show her face. The only clue you can link to the student is her mother who is identified in the film.
How could Washington coaches have figured out that their recruit is this "T" in the article and the film?
As for the LA Times article you mention: between the publication date - May 16, 2016 - and the title writ large in headline-size type - "A transgender 9-year-old tells her story" - and one of the subheads - "A third-grader in transition" - it would be pretty easy for anyone who can do basic arithmetic to figure out when "T" was born, when "T" would have been in 9th and 10th grade, and what year "T" is likely to graduate HS.
The text and photos for the LA Times story also make clear that "T" has long blonde hair, plays volleyball competitively and plans to play women's volleyball in college.
The 9-year-old is growing up. She used to play with Barbies. Now she’s the class treasurer of her West L.A. elementary school. She plays girls volleyball, paints her nails and likes to challenge herself on Minecraft.
It’s 6:10 p.m., and T sits at the dining room table doing homework. Her blond hair is tied into a ponytail to show off the reindeer earrings she recently bought. She grips a pencil with one hand and drums her fingers — nails painted dark blue — with the other.
Volleyball practice starts at 7, and she’s in a hurry.
There’s a poster above T’s bed of the college where she wants to play, and she can recite volleyball rankings by heart. Her mother played in college, and her sister plays competitively in high school. Now it’s a part of T’s identity too.
If someone cared to do so, they could glean more information about T's interests and dreams by zooming in on the photos the LA Times published that show T's bedroom to see the details of the posters and pictures hanging on the walls above the child's bed. If the name of the college where the nine-year "wants to play" isn't obvious, then copying the images of the stuff on the wall and plugging them into a standard internet image search program might do the trick.
All of which goes to show why I think it's never a good idea for parents to publish intimate details of children's personal lives and splash photos and footage of children taken in private settings such as their bedrooms in newspapers and on the internet for all the world to see. In my view, kids - all kids, including kids whose parents have labelled them "trans" - have an inherent right to grow up in privacy. It's not good for any children to grow up being used as a show pony, poster child, trophy, token or meal ticket by attention-seeking parents.
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And what would they have found with access to the "interweb"?
A 2016 LA Times article that does not reveal the name of this student. (It is linked to the first page of this thread. She is referred to as "T.") And a documentary film also from 2016 that does not identify the student by her name and does not show her face. The only clue you can link to the student is her mother who is identified in the film.
How could Washington coaches have figured out that their recruit is this "T" in the article and the film?
As for the LA Times article you mention: between the publication date - May 16, 2016 - and the title writ large in headline-size type - "A transgender 9-year-old tells her story" - and one of the subheads - "A third-grader in transition" - it would be pretty easy for anyone who can do basic arithmetic to figure out when "T" was born, when "T" would have been in 9th and 10th grade, and what year "T" is likely to graduate HS.
The text and photos for the LA Times story also make clear that "T" has long blonde hair, plays volleyball competitively and plans to play women's volleyball in college.
The 9-year-old is growing up. She used to play with Barbies. Now she’s the class treasurer of her West L.A. elementary school. She plays girls volleyball, paints her nails and likes to challenge herself on Minecraft.
It’s 6:10 p.m., and T sits at the dining room table doing homework. Her blond hair is tied into a ponytail to show off the reindeer earrings she recently bought. She grips a pencil with one hand and drums her fingers — nails painted dark blue — with the other.
Volleyball practice starts at 7, and she’s in a hurry.
There’s a poster above T’s bed of the college where she wants to play, and she can recite volleyball rankings by heart. Her mother played in college, and her sister plays competitively in high school. Now it’s a part of T’s identity too.
If someone cared to do so, they could glean more information about T's interests and dreams by zooming in on the photos the LA Times published that show T's bedroom to see the details of the posters and pictures hanging on the walls above the child's bed. If the name of the college where the nine-year "wants to play" isn't obvious, then copying the images of the stuff on the wall and plugging them into a standard internet image search program might do the trick.
All of which goes to show why I think it's never a good idea for parents to publish intimate details of children's personal lives and splash photos and footage of children taken in private settings such as their bedrooms in newspapers and on the internet for all the world to see.
Good Grief! You think there are so many trans genders that a recruiter has to actively investigate if the player is a biological female? You have to be out of your mind. I've seen the photos. There is nothing that would make you question her gender. The coach who met with her might have suspected something was off. But it isn't always obvious, especially is she had been undergoing treatment at a very young age.
If it's true that the scholarship offer has been rescinded, I can only imagine the scene at the UW PR department meeting as they discuss how to word their "official statement" on this matter in such a way as not offend anyone. They have to be so grateful that this kid is white.
I hate that it's had to come to this. I don't like kids being at the center of these scandals. but just like with doping, when you feel bad for dopers and what they have to go through, remember there are a lot of people who's names you don't know who suffered greatly from their decision to cheat in the first place.
Same goes for trans athletes. They know it isn't fair to compete alongside cis girls. They know what they are taking from them. They are making that choice.
But how do they know that it isn't fair? This kid started transitioning in the 3rd grade. She probably never played on boys' teams. She probably had puberty blocker and cross hormone at early ages. She was probably told that the blocker and hormone had erased her genetic advantage. She met all the eligibility requirements for USA Volleyball. She is eligible under the current NCAA rule (and will be eligible for the foreseeable future).
I am not saying she doesn't have any unfair advantage. But how does she it's unfair? To use your doping analogy, there were athletes who were blood doping when it was not illegal. Did they know it was unfair? If someone used blood doping before it became illegal, are they considered drug cheats?
All of which goes to show why I think it's never a good idea for parents to publish intimate details of children's personal lives and splash photos and footage of children taken in private settings such as their bedrooms in newspapers and on the internet for all the world to see. In my view, kids - all kids, including kids whose parents have labelled them "trans" - have an inherent right to grow up in privacy. It's not good for any children to grow up being used as a show pony, poster child, trophy, token or meal ticket by attention-seeking parents.
It's not a good idea to expose a kid's privacy to public even if you use a pseudonym or blur the face. This is especially true if you plan to go stealth later in life.
But people like T's parents are not seeking attention. They are doing this so that their kids' lives are not distorted by malicious lies spewed by anti-trans activists. They want their stories to be told by themselves, not by hateful vigilantes.
But even if they stay away from all the publicities and lead low- key life, there is always danger of being outed. This student might have got the scholarship if the LA Times and the film had not existed. But she could have been outed while playing in college.
I know why so many trans people want to go stealth. They don't want to be targets of threats and harassment. But it must be really hard to keep one's secret from so many people for so long.
As for the LA Times article you mention: between the publication date - May 16, 2016 - and the title writ large in headline-size type - "A transgender 9-year-old tells her story" - and one of the subheads - "A third-grader in transition" - it would be pretty easy for anyone who can do basic arithmetic to figure out when "T" was born, when "T" would have been in 9th and 10th grade, and what year "T" is likely to graduate HS.
The text and photos for the LA Times story also make clear that "T" has long blonde hair, plays volleyball competitively and plans to play women's volleyball in college.
The 9-year-old is growing up. She used to play with Barbies. Now she’s the class treasurer of her West L.A. elementary school. She plays girls volleyball, paints her nails and likes to challenge herself on Minecraft.
It’s 6:10 p.m., and T sits at the dining room table doing homework. Her blond hair is tied into a ponytail to show off the reindeer earrings she recently bought. She grips a pencil with one hand and drums her fingers — nails painted dark blue — with the other.
Volleyball practice starts at 7, and she’s in a hurry.
There’s a poster above T’s bed of the college where she wants to play, and she can recite volleyball rankings by heart. Her mother played in college, and her sister plays competitively in high school. Now it’s a part of T’s identity too.
If someone cared to do so, they could glean more information about T's interests and dreams by zooming in on the photos the LA Times published that show T's bedroom to see the details of the posters and pictures hanging on the walls above the child's bed. If the name of the college where the nine-year "wants to play" isn't obvious, then copying the images of the stuff on the wall and plugging them into a standard internet image search program might do the trick.
All of which goes to show why I think it's never a good idea for parents to publish intimate details of children's personal lives and splash photos and footage of children taken in private settings such as their bedrooms in newspapers and on the internet for all the world to see.
Good Grief! You think there are so many trans genders that a recruiter has to actively investigate if the player is a biological female? You have to be out of your mind. I've seen the photos. There is nothing that would make you question her gender. The coach who met with her might have suspected something was off. But it isn't always obvious, especially is she had been undergoing treatment at a very young age.
Yeah, what are the chances that any of the UW coaches had ever seen the LA Times article or the film, let alone the music video? Why would they even find those stuffs? If they did a Google search under her name and the name of her high school while they were recruiting her, would they have found anything?
Yeah I'm pretty sure 90% of the public, minimum, doesn't want transgenders invading the women's sports with their obvious male gene and hormonal advantages. And we live in a democracy.
Thing is, a lot of these Uni Admins -- even at public schools -- are not really elected democractically. They live in Woke bubbles where up is down, left is right, testicles are ovaries.
Women aren't even being discouraged with these antics but many are actually getting hurt, if it's Lacrosse or Field hockey for instance. Half these lackluster males at least are faking. They're faking for money, accolades, social media clout. Who can blame them. Live the life of an unremarkable male loser, or become a brave hero who for some reason is "much stronger in the upper body" than the competition.
Yes, because the life of a transgender person is so easy and perfect….except that half the population thinks you’re a demon and you have to get worried about getting your ass kicked by a pack a dudes that fly a “don’t tread on me flag” and complain about losing their freedom
Being 6 feet tall in grade 10 with a massive reach and vertical jump compared to all the other female players could be a clue. Also, man hands, man feet and man face.
Being 6 feet tall in grade 10 with a massive reach and vertical jump compared to all the other female players could be a clue. Also, man hands, man feet and man face.
According to this profile on her AAU team, her standing reach is 7-7. Her block reach is 9-5, and spike reach is 10-0.
So her vertical jump is 22 inches standing and 29 inches running. While this is probably better than 99% of girls who play high school volleyball, it is rather ordinary among girls who end up being outside hitters in D1 colleges. There are girls who can jump 30+ with running. It's also common among D1 outside hitters to have spike reach of well over 10 ft.
(She is rather short for a D1 outside hitter. Syndey Hilley, who is 6-0, was a star hitter in HS. She became a full-time setter at Wisconsin because she was "too short to be a hitter at college." Another six-footer at Wisconsin, Julia Orzol, moved from OH to libero this season because her team has multiple hitters with higher spike reach than her 10-2.)
On one recruiting site, she is ranked #34 overall and #11 among outside hitters for her class. That seems about right based on the highlight films I saw.
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But how do they know that it isn't fair? This kid started transitioning in the 3rd grade.
No idea how true this statement is, but it's crazy to allow a child to make the decision to never have an orgasm. They literally have no idea what they're missing or what that decision means. Sad.
What's the issue with letting them wait until they're 18 to do what they like?
A piece of information that wasn't clear when this story first broke is that the 12 women's volleyball scholarships available at the University of Washington are distributed amongst student-atheltes in all four undergraduate years.
Anyone who is remotely familiar with indoor volleyball, or NCAA sports in general, could easily figure out that it's 12 scholarships for the team.
OMG-- no kidding. If these are the people "helping" women, they need to just stop. How can you help when you can't even comprehend basic math and how basic sh!t works??
"It stems from decades of absurd application of title ix - in which women get bigger rosters than men for every sport to equal out football, decades of women getting a leg up in admissions processes, in grading, in job applications, etc. People are biologically driven to succeed - some are going to identify that its easier to do that as a woman."
It is legitimately more difficult to succeed in some arenas as a woman, sports being one of them. Without Title IX, women's sports would mostly disappear, just as they barely existed before Title IX. I am an engineer, and I see it also at work. We now have transgender "women" holding roles that are rarely if ever held by actual women, and the company can claim it has representation of women in its senior and upper ranks, even through there are more transgender women than actual women.
It's interesting that you write, "people are biologically driven to succeed." Actually, men tend to be more driven (on average) toward winning, especially in sports. So it's not surprising that some men will take their biological imperative into succeeding in women's sports.
As a mom of three daughters and Washington resident, this particular situation is infuriating but not surprising.
"On one occasion, she says she started training with an Olympic coach in Los Angeles but was dropped after the other athletes in the group said they did not “feel safe or comfortable” training alongside her, according to Telfer. “Something inside of me knew it wasn’t going to last too long,” she says. “When he called me after practice and told me that it was brought to his attention that I am transgender – because he didn’t know – and his athletes brought it to his attention, I knew in my soul. It was kind of like an ‘oh there it is’ moment.”
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