"Refrain from certain behaviors, including social dancing..."
When I'm reading history and I read about socially conservative religious groups opposed to dancing and playing cards, I think to myself 'good thing we've evolved as a society', and then I read this. People pay money to go to places like this. My goodness.
Why does everyone care? If she’s happier attending a small Christian college in middle of nowhere Indiana, then who cares. There’s bigger things in life than collegiate running and perhaps this young women has the perspective in life to understand that and chose the school for other reasons. It’s something that grown adults still living in their D1 XC glory days and posting on an anonymous forum about their bitterness towards evangelical Christianity just can’t comprehend.
I ran at a small NAIA school in the same conference as Taylor and Huntington; the Crossroads League is overall the strongest xc and track conference in the NAIA. This year my alma mater had both its men's and women's teams make xc nationals (first time for the women), and they were each one of about 5 or 6 teams from the Crossroads League to make it on their respective sexes' sides. That's pretty standard for this conference, pity that I ran at my school right before they actually got good.
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Best post! most 18 year olds are mesmerized by the wrong stuff. the trick is to have the brain at that age to see what program is the best for the individual.
Kids that do this are almost exclusively evangelical christians and are picking some weirdo bible college.
Taylor University fits that bill. From their wiki page:
"Students, faculty and staff are required to sign the "Life Together Covenant" (LTC) upon joining the university.[50] Community members pledge to adhere to certain standards of conduct andrefrain from certain behaviors, including social dancing (excepting marriages taking place off of school property and choreographed or folkdance), premarital sex, homosexuality, smoking, and the consumption of alcohol, with the intention of strengthening the community as a whole. Students cannot register for classes or housing unless they have signed the LTC pledge each year. The LTC is viewed as not only a covenant, but as a binding contract as well. Penalties for not adhering to the LTC range from "citizenship probation" to expulsion from the university. In 2013 the dancing rule was modified to allow officially sanctioned school dances."
Yes. Some of the posts are disgusting. Making fun of people for living moral lives. Why can't people be accepting of others? Betting the rudest people claim to be the most liberal amd open minded. This girl made a mature decision. She deserves respect rather than ridicule.
If the girl being discussed is truly a Christian, she didn't choose the schools you listed because they aren't Christian (BYU is a Mormon cult, the rest are Catholic, a Christian has put their faith and trust in what Jesus Christ did to save them from their sins, all other world religions are manmade works based lies from the pit of hell)
Becuase people like Bill Clinton don't consider acts other than intercourse as sex. It seems like you didn't realize that only the conduct is prohibited so they didn't specifically call out homosexuality, you would have thought those acts were acceptable.
Best post! most 18 year olds are mesmerized by the wrong stuff. the trick is to have the brain at that age to see what program is the best for the individual.
at the nth degree this reduces to the tautology that where-ever you choose is fine and best.
which lasts as long as she stays convinced. as a couple reviews i read suggested, it's a christian conservative bubble and as long as you're ok with that, you'll love it. you question your faith, you want more mainstream fun, your values change, or you're a minority, not your place. they also have a high tuition and low pell grant %, sounds like bad financial aid. but maybe they back the bank truck up for this one runner.
the deal is someone this fast could pick their runway to land in college and this is very very mediocre even within christian colleges. this is what you'd recommend to a fairly slow indiana christian, maybe.
the fastest 1500 runner at taylor last year was 23 seconds slower for a 1500 than liberty's best (4:15 vs. 4:38). the fastest 5k runner is about 2 minutes slower.
you are wrong saying they won NAIA. they won conference. they finished 5th in NAIA. meh. their total time across 7 runners is the equivalent of about 17th place in D3 nationals ~ hope or amherst. which we're talking almost a minute a runner behind what the worst D1 nationals teams do. it is basically defensible only on mom and dad grounds and addy wiley. their team actually is a rival of huntington. it's a very apt comparison.
i say it's defensible as a legacy pickup because you can do "religion" better than taylor. there are evangelical D1s far better than this. this to me reeks of small town girl who barely left town and thinks her parents' school is a big deal that it's not. i get being a harvard legacy. amazing school, top level academics and athletics. if my kid was a top 10 recruit with a good SAT i wouldn't recommend my D3, sorry. and mine was top 50 LAC type place.
Taylor won last year. In 2022 they won by over 100 points. This year they had a slump and didn’t perform as well.
Why does everyone care? If she’s happier attending a small Christian college in middle of nowhere Indiana, then who cares. There’s bigger things in life than collegiate running and perhaps this young women has the perspective in life to understand that and chose the school for other reasons. It’s something that grown adults still living in their D1 XC glory days and posting on an anonymous forum about their bitterness towards evangelical Christianity just can’t comprehend.
This post cannot be emphasized enough and needs to appear automatically every time some clown attempts to mansplain why this kid shouldnt make her own college choices the way she wants to. this thread is a perfect example of why letsrun is such a terrible place with the worst kind of people posting. let her go where she wants. why are there pages and pages of blather and bigotry and know nothing jackassery on this particular kids school choice when there is much less being said about the actual winners of this race? why no congratulations at all to Ms. Halterman for doing so well considering she was the last to qualify in her regional? THAT should be the story for her not pages and pages ridiculing her for where she chooses to go by anonymous nobodies who dont even know her at all and have no clue her thought process and life situation that lead her to choose her school. focus on your own choices.
I do think the tides are turning. D1 is not the only game in town…neither is D2 or D3.
A lot of young runners are learning they don’t want to go to a big program and be swallowed up in their first few years of college. Many of them would rather get individual attention from their coach, as opposed to just being a number.
It would be interesting for someone to go through and list all of the D1 level runners who went NAIA over the last year. Two that come to mind out west are Jack Gladfelter (9:14 2 mile as Jr) and Braydon Lee (1:53.0, 3rd in state 800) committing to Corban University in Salem, Oregon.
There are plenty of stories of runners who ran NAIA or D3 and have had long term pro careers. There are even more stories of runners that went D1 and disappeared in the depth chart of the roster they were on for whatever reason. NAIA and D3 can allow runners to run a full season into late November including a national championship race. Sounds like a more likely path to athlete development to me.
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