Yes, Jakob Ingebrigsten and Josh Kerr is clean. So is Hicham El Guerrouj, Kelvin Kiptum, Daniel Komen, Paul Tergat, Haile Gebrselassie, Kenenisa Bekele. These ones I can all guarantee! I mostly follow the men's side, so not too interested in who is clean on the women's side. For one Tirunesh Dibaba and Genzebe Dibaba is definitely clean.
Oh wow you just made me laugh out loud.None of them are/were clean.Theyre all drugged out of their skulls.
You don't really believe that Monson and Coburn and Tuohy are doping. Be honest. If another runner gets caught, you will despise them also for doping and having lied about it for years. Why would later be worse than today? Houlihan isn't competing. All of the the other women are. And according to some of you, they are telling a lie every day of their lives by claiming to be clean while actually competing. Are you saying that it is more acceptable to lie until getting caught but then admitting it is okay?
You continue to ignore what I said, and instead guess what I think and then attack me for what you think I think. So it makes no sense responding to you.
Plus you keep changing your statements/questions, now bringing up Coburn and Tuohy for the first time.
But the belief in the PED concept is a belief in magic sauce.
There is no magic metabolic booster that provides superhuman Bioenergetics.
It's not superhuman; it's human and aided by the effect of drugs on human physiology - just like medicines. Actually many of them are - but are not being used by those they are intended for. What corrects a deficiency in the unwell can enhance the healthy. That is why they are banned. But on your planet you don't know any of that.
So you just described superhuman whilst pretending not to.
I only post as rekrunner. For long time readers, it should be obvious who the other poster is. I focus on performance results, not complex physiological metabolic processes. I never talk about unicorns. I rarely talk about magic, but have from time to time referred to magic potions and elixirs from the ancient Druids.
Not knowing any Biology is a handicap for you. It means that you're just going to argue in circles with other posters who don't know any Biology either.
Don't you also argue in circles with other posters who don't know any Biology?
I just follow the evidence. We know the shoes have improved.
We also know that athletes dope and have done so for decades and that doping develops continuously and faster than shoe technology. There is evidence you can't follow, even if it hit you over the head like a sledgehammer.
Doping has been around for many decades. The records and the shoes are recent.
Does doping develop so fast? Non-Africans generally stopped improving for decades after the 1980s, until recently, in the era of new shoes.
We also know that athletes dope and have done so for decades and that doping develops continuously and faster than shoe technology. There is evidence you can't follow, even if it hit you over the head like a sledgehammer.
Doping has been around for many decades. The records and the shoes are recent.
Does doping develop so fast? Non-Africans generally stopped improving for decades after the 1980s, until recently, in the era of new shoes.
How much are the new spikes worth per kilometer? And if the effect scales with distance, by how much? If you’re using shoe tech to discount widespread doping, you need to provide some numbers. Maybe just take 3:30, 13:00, and 27:00 run in old spikes and tell us what a person with the same fitness would run in dragonflies.
Doping has been around for many decades. The records and the shoes are recent.
Does doping develop so fast? Non-Africans generally stopped improving for decades after the 1980s, until recently, in the era of new shoes.
How much are the new spikes worth per kilometer? And if the effect scales with distance, by how much? If you’re using shoe tech to discount widespread doping, you need to provide some numbers. Maybe just take 3:30, 13:00, and 27:00 run in old spikes and tell us what a person with the same fitness would run in dragonflies.
I need to provide numbers?
Other people have provided numbers. Nick Willis said 2 seconds for 1200m. Scientists say 2-6% efficiency, and I recall some early estimates of 90 seconds in the marathon for the earlier shoes. Might be more for the high responders.
I do not discount the width of the spread of doping -- but if you want to establish how widespread doping is, in distance running events, you need to provide some numbers.
Recall one non-expert speculates that recent jumps in performance causing new records can be attributed to recent developments in doping, apparently with so much evidence, that it could hit me over the head with a sledgehammer. If someone is going to argue that, they need to provide some numbers.
Yes, Jakob Ingebrigsten and Josh Kerr is clean. So is Hicham El Guerrouj, Kelvin Kiptum, Daniel Komen, Paul Tergat, Haile Gebrselassie, Kenenisa Bekele. These ones I can all guarantee! I mostly follow the men's side, so not too interested in who is clean on the women's side. For one Tirunesh Dibaba and Genzebe Dibaba is definitely clean.
Oh wow you just made me laugh out loud.None of them are/were clean.Theyre all drugged out of their skulls.
Are you a man of moral impeccability in speech and actions? If you are then you have the ability to make a judgement on matters of a man's morality. I am! I believe dear Rojo is the same as me. We both are men of the most perfect morals. Rojo will definitely agree with me that every single athlete I named in that list above is absolutely clean from drugs.
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Well however much the superspikes gives you, it's comparable to if not less than the doping, especially when considering that training should also have improved in the last 2 decades, plus wavelights!, and today's athletes still dope, just not to the gills.
As it stands now:
The 800 m is from 2012, best current performer is on place 6 (no superspikes).
The 1500 m WR is from 1998, best current performer is on place 4.
The mile WR is from 1999, best current performer on place 3.
The old 3000 m steeple WR, 5000 m and 10000 m got broken, finally, but so far only by 1 man each.
It's not superhuman; it's human and aided by the effect of drugs on human physiology - just like medicines. Actually many of them are - but are not being used by those they are intended for. What corrects a deficiency in the unwell can enhance the healthy. That is why they are banned. But on your planet you don't know any of that.
So you just described superhuman whilst pretending not to.
You fail basic physiology again.
I am not describing "superhuman", as in the sense it isn't possible - which is how you interpret it. I am describing what can be dramatically enhanced in humans. This happens in all kinds of areas of human activity. Training, for one, enables it, as it changes - enhances - aspects of human physiology. If it didn't there would be no gains. I assume you don't dispute the changes that training will achieve yet you cannot get your head around the fact that drugs also change human physiology. They would do nothing if they couldn't do that. Medicines would not exist.
We also know that athletes dope and have done so for decades and that doping develops continuously and faster than shoe technology. There is evidence you can't follow, even if it hit you over the head like a sledgehammer.
Doping has been around for many decades. The records and the shoes are recent.
Does doping develop so fast? Non-Africans generally stopped improving for decades after the 1980s, until recently, in the era of new shoes.
Doping is constantly changing, which is one of the reasons why antidoping can't keep up with doping. Shoe technology has been present since the beginning of the sport. It is simple and crude by comparison with what drugs are able to do to the human body.
Non Africans didn't stop improving, but the rate of their improvements slowed through more vigorous antidoping measures. Africans largely evaded that with virtually no drug testing in their countries and their use of a drug in the 90's for which there was then no effective test.
In this century athletes have used microdosing as a means of countering testing, but the ongoing developments in doping have put athletes further and further ahead of antidoping. (An exception is Kenya, where more focused antidoping has pulled in a vast net of "amateurs". It has shown doping is a norm in their sport.) Whatever the shoes have enabled has just been icing on that particular cake. It takes incredible naiivity to believe that ambitious athletes will avail themselves of the advantages of shoe technology but not drugs. The Kenyans show what they are prepared to do to succeed. The sport is full of drugs.
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Doping while not being tested is much easier than doing while being tested. Tuohy has never been tested and she mysteriously bombed at the past two champioships. Professionals get tested routinely. It requires a lot of effort to microdose as opposed to just all out doping.
I believe there are very few, if any, clean professionals in distance racing. This sport at the elite level has, sadly, has become as corrupt as professional bicycle racing or bodybuilding.
I believe there are very few, if any, clean professionals in distance racing. This sport at the elite level has, sadly, has become as corrupt as professional bicycle racing or bodybuilding.
WADA has put T and F in the same doping risk category as those sports.
Doping while not being tested is much easier than doing while being tested. Tuohy has never been tested and she mysteriously bombed at the past two champioships. Professionals get tested routinely. It requires a lot of effort to microdose as opposed to just all out doping.
It takes expert help to successfully microdose without being caught. All-out doping while being regularly tested is high risk. We see that in Kenya today.
Well however much the superspikes gives you, it's comparable to if not less than the doping, especially when considering that training should also have improved in the last 2 decades, plus wavelights!, and today's athletes still dope, just not to the gills.
As it stands now:
The 800 m is from 2012, best current performer is on place 6 (no superspikes).
The 1500 m WR is from 1998, best current performer is on place 4.
The mile WR is from 1999, best current performer on place 3.
The old 3000 m steeple WR, 5000 m and 10000 m got broken, finally, but so far only by 1 man each.
The shoes don't beat doping. We also see that with women's records that are up to forty years old.
Oh wow you just made me laugh out loud.None of them are/were clean.Theyre all drugged out of their skulls.
Are you a man of moral impeccability in speech and actions? If you are then you have the ability to make a judgement on matters of a man's morality. I am! I believe dear Rojo is the same as me. We both are men of the most perfect morals. Rojo will definitely agree with me that every single athlete I named in that list above is absolutely clean from drugs.
So you have to be morally perfect to see fault in others? You are a complete idiot.
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