It's unbelievable that Kelvin Kiptum could be totally clean in all his marathon performances so far

But you aren't.

Many successful athletes can be compared with Lance. They do as he did. Sorry that you know nothing about what has been happening to sport for decades.

It is ironic that you describe someone with the same views as yourself as a moron. You might want to rethink that, unless you're happy with that description.

Nothing that is sentient does not experience pain. It is a message from the body. It is part of the awareness of fatigue. A cheetah will succumb to it after 10 seconds at top speed, and a pronghorn antelope after several miles. To attempt to push through it risks collapse or even worse. The message of pain is to stop or risk harm. The Kalahari Bushmen will run an antelope into the ground after a chase of several hours, when it overheats (it cannot perspire) and collapses, often nearing death at that point. That is why drugs that suppress the pain of fatigue can be so dangerous. Doped cyclists have died from heart attacks.

If Kiptum was not experiencing pain he wasn't running anywhere near his aerobic limits. He wasn't experiencing significant fatigue. So he's really a sub-2 hour marathon runner - probably 1:57 or so at least. Of course he is.

I'm not defending him but waiting four to six months for whatever WADA analysis to come out.

If Kipchoge can be clean then he is not the only human on the planet that can have an 86 VDOT

What if Kiptum is just a decade younger Kipchoge with +10 more max HR ?

I will say they really crazy thing to me about the 2:00:35 is not only did he barely have a pacer to draft, he didn't even draft the pacer when he did have one. He ran that full head-on with full air resistance. Even Kipchoge can't do that the whole way.

If there is a new drug that cannot be detected there sure seems to be a lot of people with access to it, so maybe the PED is on their feet.

If anyone was ever doped to the gills. It’s Kiptum.

I would say you need to look closer at home first. Who is coaching your golden girl!!

I'm calling b.s. on your argument that a doper "would be timid and weak..." Look at all the videos of Lance Armstrong so self-righteously denying that he was cheating.

Kiptum's story doesn't make any sense. If a story is too good to be true, then it probably is.

I ran two PBs last month. I definitely am making progress, thank you.

He might think of pain not as heavy exertion or muscle soreness but as getting your finger caught in a door or the like, but he ran like he wasn't suffering. The shoes probably have a good deal to do with that. He's 23 and just two years ago he ran a sea level track 10000m in mid 28. Now he runs a 27:52 from 30k to 40k in a negative split wr marathon. That is the part that tells you doping is highly likely.

Pronghorns can sustain 30 mph for 20 miles.

Not even 20 hours? Lightweights

Are you not allowing for that he wasn't healthy for that 10,000? He ran far better in the fall with a win in a 59:35 HM and then 59:02 in Valencia. He'd run better in 2020 than that 10,000. Sure, he might be doping but I'm not sure why one slow 10,000 is much of a sign of anything.

Now that was the most fun google in all these threads.

That image is almost worthy of a t-shirt "try and chase me bro" lol

They would finish the berlin marathon faster than the inline skaters who do it in an hour

PEDs are used at the top of EVERY professional sport. You are delusional. Beating wr's and winning worlds is impossible as a true natty.

Best answer of this forum below:

Just some background thoughts regarding Kenyan society. The corrupt are very corrupt while the moral angels are literally dropped from heaven. That's the stunning divide between good and evil in Kenyan society. There is no mid-way 50/50 in Kenyan society, once you are a goner then you are a goner.

From the media conference Kelvin Kiptum could either be, with his no pain comment, grossly lying (corrupt) or grossly honest (Virgin Mary/Angel) and you chose the latter which I also did!

How did I come to the conclusion that he is a Virgin Mary/Angel? Below are my points:

1) His total consistency in the 2:01 and 2:00 region. Very little fluctuation.

2) Great supershoe responder

3) Short time span of 10 months: the shorter the time span for which consistent marathon performances occur the greater the legitimacy of all of those marathon performances individual and relative to one another in space-time. On the contrary if his 3 2:01/2:00 marathon performances had or would have occurred in December 2022, then June 2025 and again in April 2028 I would be far more likely to call fraud (doping) on the 2nd and 3rd one, but especially the 3rd one because anthropogenic RF deteriorates the human physiological condition very quickly for a high-performance athlete. That's why Eliud Kipchoge longevity in the marathon has to be fraudulent what with breaking the WR a second time last year.

4) Impenetrable biomechanical frequency pattern like a spring-mass oscillating system in zero-point vacuum.

5) Very high mileage although he didn't say he ran nearly as high for Chicago as in London. Did he run far less than 300km for the built-up to Chicago? Yes he said he did as he had been injured.

The rest on this forum who thinks he is doping haven't got a clue how to conduct expert analysis like only an RF king can do!

Not for Kelvin, he is truly a 'Virgin Mary/Angel'!

Kelvin isn't 'weak or timid' nor a Lance Armstrong, he is a 'Virgin Mary/Angel', a generational evangelical preacher who preaches using his 2 legs and lungs, does that satisfy your doubt now?

The story of Kelvin could only ever become too good to be true if there was a media report of him regularly consuming alcohol and sleeping with hoes and then running 2:01/2:00 marathons claiming not painful or tiring. Otherwise, as all the relative bits and parts of his story stands, he trains like he preaches the gospel, completely reverent to perfectly clean morality such as eating, running and sleeping.

Yeah man, I do find that whole wind drafting thingy to be a little overblown lol! I'm not sure where I read an article on here that says wind drafting for Yared Nuguse in 2018 in the 1500m could have got him to run 3:29 for the 1500m already back then which he didn't because he didn't have wind drafting. And then I watch Kelvin's performances in London, Valencia and Chicago where he was running virtually the entire race leading into the headwind while Kipchoge was like a coward always hiding behind some dummy. And I'm wondering what's all the hype about the wind drafting?

It got me wondering that I was right after all as I remembered 2 or 3 weeks ago I wrote a comment elsewhere that wind resistance actually aids in running faster times rather than deters it! It's all about the biomechanical frequency of vibration at which you attack or run into the wind that is the deal-breaker, not the wind per se. At the resonant frequency of vibration at the correct force of wind resistance and velocity, it's possible to run much faster than in still air conditions. Change the frequency and you change whether the wind becomes more of a boon or bane for you as well. Simple physics.