You don’t wish Allie well, stopping trying to backtrack. Your chosen anonymous username says it all.
Your first two sentences sum up your entire approach to this situation. You view this through a prism that is 100% emotional and assert pure unknown conjecture as though it were truth. This infantile line of thinking of yours is laughable, but also scary in that you're presumably an adult.
Like Allie, I wish you well also. Unlike you, however, I don't equate the enabling of moral or intellectual failure to "wishing someone well". Wishing someone well includes guidance towards growth even when it may not always be pleasant or fun. Your unthinking path leads to even greater decay and failure for the individual you "support", the communities they are in, and eventually for society at large.
Allie O is an admitted doper, and she, you, and everyone else would be better off when a little bit of responsibility is taken for it. Again, I do wish her (and you) well.
Why do you think USADA punished her so lightly if they believed she was deliberately cheating?
You don’t wish Allie well, stopping trying to backtrack. Your chosen anonymous username says it all. No Allie supporter can refute she took a banned substance and served a suspension. You are trying to place her in the same category as Shelby or Salazar. Playing with fire to gain an advantage. Allie took some acne medication and didn’t think to get it approved because she isn’t out there trying to compete in the diamond league or anything to that level. Her light ban proves USADA felt the same way. Your black and white view of cheating is my point about context. Cheaters are looking for an advantage, nothing about the situation screams that Allie was looking for an advantage, she made a careless mistake. Has Allie served a doping ban? Yes. Is she a cheat? No.
"No Allie supporter can refute she took a banned substance and served a suspension."
Yay! Now you're thinking.
"You are trying to place her in the same category as Shelby or Salazar."
No, I am not. This is just another baseless assertion on your part. Each situation has its own nuances. There are some similarities and some differences with all 3.
"Allie took some acne medication and didn’t think to get it approved because she isn’t out there trying to compete in the diamond league or anything to that level."
How do you know her motivation to cheat? Maybe she wanted to still do well on the trails while spending as little time training as possible so that she could devote more time to her social media efforts. Is that possible? A person doesn't have to be a Diamond Leaguer to cheat. A high school varsity wannabee could be doper. Sad, but true, yes?
"Her light ban proves USADA felt the same way."
No, you may want this to be true and perhaps even believe it, but a lenient punishment doesn't prove anything other than the offense was committed. Light punishments are given all time in order to be hopeful to change the guilty party's ways without crushing them too much.
"Your black and white view of cheating is my point about context."
I am objectively dealing with facts while you are emotionally dealing with "context".
"Cheaters are looking for an advantage, nothing about the situation screams that Allie was looking for an advantage, she made a careless mistake."
We can not know that Allie is not looking for advantage. Effective cheating does not scream "I'm cheating!" (lol). I will agree she made mistake with her lapse of judgment.
"Has Allie served a doping ban? Yes. Is she a cheat? No."
Has Allie served a doping ban? Yes. Is she a cheat?
Your first two sentences sum up your entire approach to this situation. You view this through a prism that is 100% emotional and assert pure unknown conjecture as though it were truth. This infantile line of thinking of yours is laughable, but also scary in that you're presumably an adult.
Like Allie, I wish you well also. Unlike you, however, I don't equate the enabling of moral or intellectual failure to "wishing someone well". Wishing someone well includes guidance towards growth even when it may not always be pleasant or fun. Your unthinking path leads to even greater decay and failure for the individual you "support", the communities they are in, and eventually for society at large.
Allie O is an admitted doper, and she, you, and everyone else would be better off when a little bit of responsibility is taken for it. Again, I do wish her (and you) well.
Why do you think USADA punished her so lightly if they believed she was deliberately cheating?
Honestly, why do you frame it as light? You're making an editorial choice, and I don't know if it's correct or not, so I'm asking for clarification.
Why did Alyssa Wilson not have a suspension for the same substance without a TUE? It seems like there were other punishments that aren't as harsh.
Why do you think USADA punished her so lightly if they believed she was deliberately cheating?
What does it matter what I think why they may have been lenient?
It could be any number of reasons, and none of them matter. They may have been lenient because it was a first offense, because they didn't find the masked substance, because they didn't see her future as significant, because she was pleasant to work with, because perhaps they made a deal to lighten the punishment if she didn't contest it or gave up her source or other NDA stipulations, etc etc etc.
The light banning DOES. NOT. MATTER. AT. ALL.
Let's say I go through the check out line and swipe a Twix bar. According to you people, all should be good because 1) I was hungry and wanted it 2) I could've afforded it if I wanted, 3) If caught, the store will probably let me go without much punishment. 4) Other people steal even more! 5) I'm a like-able guy and am friends with other shoppers (lol). Sheesh.... you people are really shameless.
She is a doping cheater. She is a convicted doping cheater. She is an admitted doping cheater. All doping cheaters should be banned for life. No exceptions. If they took any prize money while cheating they should be put in prison for fraud and theft.
You don’t wish Allie well, stopping trying to backtrack. Your chosen anonymous username says it all.
Allie O is an admitted doper, and she, you, and everyone else would be better off when a little bit of responsibility is taken for it. Again, I do wish her (and you) well.
She's not actually an admitted/convicted doper - she's an admitted/convicted masking agent taker. I hope I don't have to spell out the difference to you.
Edit: but I guess I will. She took something that makes it easier to cheat. That's why it's banned - it's like taking a phone into a test - you aren't allowed to do that because it makes it easy to cheat. Bringing a phone into a test accidentally doesn't make you a cheater. But it will get your test result thrown out because you could have been cheating.
So of course the Allie supporters admit that she was caught and banned correctly. She broke the rules. she got a ban. She deserved it. Now was she actually doping? I have no idea. Her results don't scream "doping." Her skin blemishes suggest she might want to take acne medication, like many of us.
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Dope is a term that sort of evolved to mean a dumb person and a person taking drugs to be a doper because they are dumb and the dope makes them even dumber. She is a doper for taking an illegal drug.
Dope is a term that sort of evolved to mean a dumb person and a person taking drugs to be a doper because they are dumb and the dope makes them even dumber. She is a doper for taking an illegal drug.
You don’t wish Allie well, stopping trying to backtrack. Your chosen anonymous username says it all.
Your first two sentences sum up your entire approach to this situation. You view this through a prism that is 100% emotional and assert pure unknown conjecture as though it were truth. This infantile line of thinking of yours is laughable, but also scary in that you're presumably an adult.
Like Allie, I wish you well also. Unlike you, however, I don't equate the enabling of moral or intellectual failure to "wishing someone well". Wishing someone well includes guidance towards growth even when it may not always be pleasant or fun. Your unthinking path leads to even greater decay and failure for the individual you "support", the communities they are in, and eventually for society at large.
Allie O is an admitted doper, and she, you, and everyone else would be better off when a little bit of responsibility is taken for it. Again, I do wish her (and you) well.
That’s a lot of fun little ways you just reshaped your words and tried to call me stupid.
What’s laughable is that you claim I’m crafting my opinion off 100% emotion, when you’re trying to take emotion out of an argument about morality and intention. You are asserting your own unknown conjecture by believing that she was truly using it as a masking agent.
I’d also just like to point out, for the enjoyment of it, that you call her an admitted doper and ask she take responsibility in the same sentence.
"No Allie supporter can refute she took a banned substance and served a suspension."
Yay! Now you're thinking.
"You are trying to place her in the same category as Shelby or Salazar."
No, I am not. This is just another baseless assertion on your part. Each situation has its own nuances. There are some similarities and some differences with all 3.
"Allie took some acne medication and didn’t think to get it approved because she isn’t out there trying to compete in the diamond league or anything to that level."
How do you know her motivation to cheat? Maybe she wanted to still do well on the trails while spending as little time training as possible so that she could devote more time to her social media efforts. Is that possible? A person doesn't have to be a Diamond Leaguer to cheat. A high school varsity wannabee could be doper. Sad, but true, yes?
"Her light ban proves USADA felt the same way."
No, you may want this to be true and perhaps even believe it, but a lenient punishment doesn't prove anything other than the offense was committed. Light punishments are given all time in order to be hopeful to change the guilty party's ways without crushing them too much.
"Your black and white view of cheating is my point about context."
I am objectively dealing with facts while you are emotionally dealing with "context".
"Cheaters are looking for an advantage, nothing about the situation screams that Allie was looking for an advantage, she made a careless mistake."
We can not know that Allie is not looking for advantage. Effective cheating does not scream "I'm cheating!" (lol). I will agree she made mistake with her lapse of judgment.
"Has Allie served a doping ban? Yes. Is she a cheat? No."
Has Allie served a doping ban? Yes. Is she a cheat?
ABSOLUTELY YES!
The definition of a cheater via Oxford:
a person who acts dishonestly in order to gain an advantage.
Do I think Allie acted dishonestly to gain an advantage? No
Can either of us prove that? No. it’s entirely up to our opinion of her morality and intention.
You are not only clumping doping and cheating together, but you’re trying to take the key element out of the equation.
Wait - You think that I think you're stupid?! Nahh, no way, bruh!
Yes, she admits to taking the banned substance, but she does not admit to taking it to gain an advantage. So, she halfway admits it, but seeks to avoid taking responsibility by holding onto the "plausible deniability" that it was for acne issues. As an R&R noted, she does have the acne, but it is not too plausible that she wouldn't take any steps toward seeking the TUE, remove herself from the drug testing pool, or simply find another way to treat her acne.
Back to the Twix bar, it's like me saying, "Yes, I admit that I put the Twix bar in my pocket while I was in line to pay for the rest of my groceries, and I am sorry for that. BUT, I really wasn't trying to steal it, per se. I was going to give it to the hungry looking fellow on the street corner. Of course, it wasn't for me. It's not even nutritious! And and I am not even hungry right now."
As an R&R noted, she does have the acne, but it is not too plausible that she wouldn't take any steps toward seeking the TUE, remove herself from the drug testing pool, or simply find another way to treat her acne.
Jeeee, this sounds an awful lot like conjecture to me.
You're getting better! We agree that she was caught and banned and did not contest it. There will be conjecture on both our parts is on why did she take the banned substance.
For some reason, you believe her to be complete dumbasz. I don't think she is.
Here we go again. She was sanctioned by USADA for violating a rule because she took a medication that required a TUE and she did not obtain a TUE. She admitted the violation and USADA accepted her explanation. Her performance level earlier did not appear to show that she was gaining any performance advantages. The sanction was for four months and that time is now over. She now is eligible to compete, according to the rules.
Say what you and believe what you will, but that is the end of the story.
JUST LEAVE ALLIE ALONE! She’s done nothing to you! The rules and stuff are only for people we don’t like, but Allie is so great and kind, and she’s so incredibly authentic. Have you ever seen her YouTube videos?
You're getting better! We agree that she was caught and banned and did not contest it. There will be conjecture on both our parts is on why did she take the banned substance.
For some reason, you believe her to be complete dumbasz. I don't think she is.
You agree, yet you think your view somehow has more weight than those in support of her and talk down to us as if you’re intellectually superior.
A lotta tools and d-bags in this thread trying to give Allie crap for (almost) no reason. Just give it up trolls. Allie is a great runner and vlogger. Go Allie!
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