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I think you crave attention.

No. I’m not the one who created a thread seeking attention for attention-seeking hobby joggers.

So cool. It used to be a given that Americans couldn't compete at UTMB, but now we've got some all-time legends. Also, show me a "distance runner" who can't appreciate ultras, and I'll show you someone who always got dropped by their teammates on long run day.

Courtney’s success is a symptom of the disease of competitive female trail running; she’s an outlier because so few competitive female road runners will transition to trail. When a sub 19m 5k runner takes the podium at a Golden Ticket race, that’s a huge indication that there’s a huge problem in the sport. What female in OQ B-standard shape is going to slum it and risk 100 mile weeks to roll an ankle in the desert? But sub-par 220 male marathon runners flock to the trails like moths to a flame. Why the disparity? Some trail race RDs may be to blame for not allowing 50/50 participation entry. I also think men have more freedom and can (or will) afford to take more risks, and the competitive road running field is crowded for bros. How best to recycle your garbage pro road career then to go out and beat up the Euros in their backyard. Kenyans winning $100k/race are staying away for the same reason, so on both sides you’re seeing a small sample size, and skewed results, but hundreds of ‘missing runners’ on the female side. The fact that Courtney doesn’t use a watch and just ‘runs by feel’ tells you everything you need to know about her record performance. Put her in a road marathon and she’d s—- the bed. Is she tough? Hell yes. But I promise if you paid the top 200 female road runners to commit to trail for 2 years all her records would fall into obscurity.

It’s not even close because none of the competitors in her field are fast. They’re all has-been road runners or D3 XC 19 min 5k slugs.

Accurate.

Strength of competition matters when assessing the magnitude of an accomplishment. Courtney has had an amazing summer, but I can’t believe there are any serious fans of running who would think that what Kipyegon has done in the summer of 2023 is not more impressive. Certainly as impressive…..Three world records, undefeated, double wc gold, dominated other all-time greats in the sport like Hassan. C’mon…..

Perhaps because 20 total women do it world wide?

Verstappen by the way just won his 10th consecutive race today, breaking the all-time F1 record, so yeah, he’s pretty dominant too.

There's a simple solution if you don't care about Ultra running: don't click on Ultra threads. Don't spend your Labor Day weekend arguing about Ultra running. Do something else.

And yeah, of course the haters on these threads are the same kids who whine if there's so much as a divot on their golf course XC races, let alone ever run on a legit trail. "Trail running is so easy" but you're too scared of rolling an ankle to try it - OK.

It would be epic to see Bekele literally blow the doors off of both of the 2 of them

Courtney was beat badly at two 24 hour world championships. She won’t cross over again to race the best women ultrarunners. Trailrunning is for those who aren’t fast enough to compete on the roads.

You could just as easily say road runners aren’t strong enough to cross over and compete with Courtney up and down mountains. (Camille has already demonstrated this multiple times)

"Bo" Jackson - Bo knows

Hi Camille,

Sounds like you are a little sad over Courney's triple win: WS100, Hardrock and UMTB.

lucid mind is SPOT ON. shallow talent pool for men, and non existant for females.

Thanks Rojo, some of us very much appreciate it. You guys might want to consider covering UTMB live in person someday. Yeah I get it's not really what you've been about and why this board was started. But I promise if you did you would not be disappointed, it's such a positive and uplifting event - who knew runners going at it for 20 hours, overnight, in all kinds of weather could be so entertaining? Those of us who've been there, that's who. Just my two cents, thanks again!

THANKS ROJO FOR BLACKPAGING A 15 MIN VS A 14 MIN 5K RUNNER- YOURE THE BEST!!!

BLACKPAGE SAHLMAN NEXT WHILE YOURE AT IT!!!

What percentage of people do pole vaulting?

I've never even met someone who has done it. I know a bunch of people who have run ultras.