No idea if its the reasons, but it must suck for those athletes that they have to prioritize USAs to make sure they even get to go. I can image that if you are not very dominant you just have to prioritize USA's over an eventual worlds.
So you don't think the top Kenyans and Ethiopians need to bring their A game for their trials races?
Uh what? When and where did I commend kenyans and ethiopians for their practice? However I do think it is more important for someone like Klecker to be able to have a sole focus on worlds as I think it hurts him more having to give everything to secure a qualification at USA's than Cheptegei. Don't you think its easier for Cheptegei to throw in a qualifyer race for worlds and still perform great at worlds?
Monson supports your point — she ran in DLs etc and did well in her race. McGee also ran a bunch of DLs specifically for the prep it would provide her — and she made the final.
But these two and Naguse also show that it is quite possible for US distance athletes to compete in Europe.
Weird. How quickly do people have selective amnesia? Was not even a year ago and Fisher was destroying just about everyone in diamond leagues.
Grant Fisher DL results (2022): 3000m, Monaco, third 5000m, Bruxelles, second
Not everyone is equally adept at running in heat, and yes, there's almost certainly a genetic component to it. It can be trained, but looking at Strava, I don't see any evidence that Klecker was heat training. But even if you train it, some people are going to be better at it than others. It was a probably a weakness that he didn't work on, and a natural disinclination combined with a lack of preparation ended with him getting lapped.
There's no other explanation for how a 12:55 guy could get lapped in a track race. He wilted in the heat.
a heat protocol doesn’t necessarily mean you do a session in extreme conditions.
explanation could be his season didnt go to plan.
us champs was his peak and this was not.
thats a totally plausible explanation
Yeah, its abit hillarious that everyone seem to try to explain it away with everything other than the fact that Klecker already have peaked for the most important race in his season.
StillCompating wrote:
There is about a 500 watt difference between the heat Klecker is generating to that of Cheptegei et al.
That's going to make a difference on a very hot day.
Yep, that is 100% the difference between Klecker and Cheptegei. No doubt. all those watts heating him up. Would be a completely different story if it was a bit colder.
Umm...they both had a bad day in 88 degree heat? They didnt grow up in African heat? Finals arent performed in 30 degree wheather where they might possibly excel?
Kincaid is a 12:51pt guy. Not sure why he ran the 10k. Load up in your best event and see what happens. his kick only matters if he can hang on.
12:51 is nothing when half a dozen plus competitors can run 12:42 or better. Highly unlikely the outcome would have been better for him in the 5000.
He's not winning either but he'd perform better in the 5k because he is better suited for the event. He cannot hang with the best guys but its a bit easier for the big kicker in the 5000.
a heat protocol doesn’t necessarily mean you do a session in extreme conditions.
explanation could be his season didnt go to plan.
us champs was his peak and this was not.
thats a totally plausible explanation
Yeah, its abit hillarious that everyone seem to try to explain it away with everything other than the fact that Klecker already have peaked for the most important race in his season.
StillCompating wrote:
There is about a 500 watt difference between the heat Klecker is generating to that of Cheptegei et al.
That's going to make a difference on a very hot day.
Yep, that is 100% the difference between Klecker and Cheptegei. No doubt. all those watts heating him up. Would be a completely different story if it was a bit colder.
it’s the same cycle every championship if an american doesn’t perform up yo message board standards: a bunch of idiots jump on, blathering, trashing people and performances they couldn’t begin to comprehend or how how to replicate but somehow that athlete owes them, the ‘fan’, something.
As disrespectful as the burrito story just flowing in the opposite direction
Funny Woody and Joe (and Sean would’ve if not hurt) spent the first weekend in March running a 27:07 10k in California on a perfect night and the rest of these guys were out in the Australian summer tearing up World XC.
2023 XC
1. Cheptegei - 3rd at World XC 2. Ebenyo - 6th at World XC 3. Barega - 12th at World XC 4. Aregawi - 2nd at World XC 5. Kibet - N 6. Ahmed - N 7. Kwizera - 8th at World XC 8. Kipkorir - 13th at World XC 9. Schrub - 2 Euro XC races 10. Balew - 3 Euro XC races 11. Kinkaid - N 12. Crippa - 2 Euro XC races 13. Kimeli - 3 Euro XC races 14. Wildschutt - N 15. Tazawa - N
Funny Woody and Joe (and Sean would’ve if not hurt) spent the first weekend in March running a 27:07 10k in California on a perfect night and the rest of these guys were out in the Australian summer tearing up World XC.
2023 XC
1. Cheptegei - 3rd at World XC 2. Ebenyo - 6th at World XC 3. Barega - 12th at World XC 4. Aregawi - 2nd at World XC 5. Kibet - N 6. Ahmed - N 7. Kwizera - 8th at World XC 8. Kipkorir - 13th at World XC 9. Schrub - 2 Euro XC races 10. Balew - 3 Euro XC races 11. Kinkaid - N 12. Crippa - 2 Euro XC races 13. Kimeli - 3 Euro XC races 14. Wildschutt - N 15. Tazawa - N
or chopped up a little differently: how many of the top 15 in the 10k final has significant indoor track results?
Galen Rupp spoiled us. We are use to seeing the top 10k American up there making a splash.
Truth is, neither Kincaid or Klecker were prepared for the humidity. They should have gone to Kenya or Ethiopia for heat and altitude. Instead they went to cold Saint Moritz and Flagstaff.
ridiculous to think you need to train everyday in heat and humidity to be heat acclimated.
They have protocols for this. very likely they take your advice they perform even worse
bigger issue for them is that their 5k times are cute in a field like you saw today. you have the WR holder and numerous others under 1250.
them doing solid performances and national champions is not much in a field like that
Hey Santara.
I am very sorry your heat training protocol did not work the way you imagined it. Truthfully, wearing an extra layer of clothes is not enough to simulate hot and humid temperatures.
I am ridiculous for thinking going up and training in hot weather will make you better at running in hot weather?
Ridiculous that you haven't heard of specificity of training. The body adepts to the stress placed on it. There is no way weather in the 40s-50s is going to prepare a long distance runner to run in 90 degree weather.
In the men's 20k race walk, in the fastest race for depth in history, 2nd place (Perseus Karlstrom, Sweden) and 4th place, (Evan Dunfee, Canada) are both tall, and Karlstrom is heavily muscled. They come from northern countries, and their final prep for Budapest was in Switzerland at altitude. So, I don't think body type, or training for humidity, is an explanation.
12:51 is nothing when half a dozen plus competitors can run 12:42 or better. Highly unlikely the outcome would have been better for him in the 5000.
Pretty easy explanation. Kincaid did not make the U.S. Team in the 5,000.
I had forgotten this. I thought he made both teams. Gets back to my main point though; why is he in the 10k at Nats? Poor decision (IMO) for a 12:51 guy. Take you best shot, at your best event.
ridiculous to think you need to train everyday in heat and humidity to be heat acclimated.
They have protocols for this. very likely they take your advice they perform even worse
bigger issue for them is that their 5k times are cute in a field like you saw today. you have the WR holder and numerous others under 1250.
them doing solid performances and national champions is not much in a field like that
Hey Santara.
I am very sorry your heat training protocol did not work the way you imagined it. Truthfully, wearing an extra layer of clothes is not enough to simulate hot and humid temperatures.
I am ridiculous for thinking going up and training in hot weather will make you better at running in hot weather?
Ridiculous that you haven't heard of specificity of training. The body adepts to the stress placed on it. There is no way weather in the 40s-50s is going to prepare a long distance runner to run in 90 degree weather.
This will be all of the US folks going into the OT.
I’m a fan of the US distance squad but it’s definitely concerning how every single world championships they both choke to a massive degree to their potential. They must be trained to peak for USAs because besides the weather, it’s really concerning how Kincaid and Klecker can’t even make an indent on the world champs. They’re AT that level they just failed to execute every time. Is it their training? It sure seems like they are all following in Dathans footsteps not doing a dang thing when it really matters in the world or Olympic stage.
Galen Rupp spoiled us. We are use to seeing the top 10k American up there making a splash.
Truth is, neither Kincaid or Klecker were prepared for the humidity. They should have gone to Kenya or Ethiopia for heat and altitude. Instead they went to cold Saint Moritz and Flagstaff.
This was my first thought: wrong weather during the build up, and got whipped by the heat and humidity. But then I looked at the recent temperatures and dew points in Boulder and Eldoret and they were pretty similar.
I think what every American distance fan needs to come to grips with are that the elite East Africans are so much better than the elite Americans 10k on up. it’s not even close. Kincaid, klecker and McGorty need to have the performance of a life time to even have a chance to medal. When healthy grant fisher is on a tier just shy of East African talent, but needs to have everything go perfectly during his build up to contend. As a US distance fan it’s not discouraging to me. Rather, I am in awe when I watch Cheptegei, Aregawi, Barega, Kipchoge, etc.
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