Also, remember that Flake’s RT in his 19.26 was 0.269. Had he not fallen asleep in the blocks and had a merely pedestrian 0.169, he would be the WR-holder at 19.16
So, really, anything is possible in the 200. Dolt’s 19.19 is clearly beatable.
Noah Lyles throws down the gauntlet: predicts 19.10 and 9.65
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McRunnin wrote:
True. Worth noting that Lyles added the following comment to his post: “They say if they don’t know your dreams then they can’t shoot them down. But I have always been more of a guy who loves to hear the screams from the heaters, got a nice ring to it. #Budapest2023”
The word that stands out to me in that comment is “dreams.” Is Lyles really making a prediction, or is he merely sharing his dreams and trying to manifest them?
He didn't say "I dream of running these times". He said "I will run these times".
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Sounds like you’re not familiar with the practice of manifestation. When people are trying to manifest their dreams, they will often express those dreams as declarative statements. Someone trying to manifest career advancement would write, “I will get a promotion this year,” not “I hope to get a promotion this year.”
Here are a couple of articles on it:
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Things associated with Bolt.
8 Olympic Golds
11 World Championship Golds
OG Records and WRs in the 100m, 200m, 4x100
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GreatDane wrote:
He’s gotta be pretty confident with that kind of pre-race talk but as the old saying goes “Pay less attention to what a man says. Just watch what they do”.
I watched Lyles win the world championship!
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Lyles was talking 9.6 he ran 9.8, he was talking 19.1 he will run 19,3ish.
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.18 off his prediction
he will have to run 19.28 or i will be shaking my head
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Deno wrote:
Lyles was talking 9.6 he ran 9.8, he was talking 19.1 he will run 19,3ish.
He will run 19.2ish, no way he run slower than his personal best at the distance he's best suited for lol
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200m will be great. Hopefully another pb for Lyles.
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The Stadium in Budapest in almost completely enclosed I don't think he will get the wind needed to run much faster than last year. It basically going to be dead calm with no quartering wind.
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My2centsTake wrote:
Deno wrote:
Lyles was talking 9.6 he ran 9.8, he was talking 19.1 he will run 19,3ish.
He will run 19.2ish, no way he run slower than his personal best at the distance he's best suited for lol
people run slower than their PBs all the time?
Oregon was a ridiculously fast track - everyone was sleepwalking into Champ Records and carrying the whole podium into huge PBs.
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Don't see anything sub 19.3ish. As long as he's running 9.8 he won't be breaking 19.3ish.
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Deno wrote:
Don't see anything sub 19.3ish. As long as he's running 9.8 he won't be breaking 19.3ish.
It's a mistake to judge outliers like Noah Lyles by normal runners. I've done some number crunching today and I can estimate that Lyles was in about 9.85 shape when he ran 19.31. Faster than many thought (he was in great shape and ran a great bend in Eugene), but he's still faster right now.
I have him at a projected 19.27 (+0.0) right now for 200 if all other things remain equal. That's already just .08 away. There are two recipes to the WR now: one, an outlier race with a great jump; or two, he just catches a great tailwind.
If he gets both, he's going 19.1 mid to low.
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Also, just for fun, here are some splits:
Bolt 2009 (9.92 !!! (wow) + 9.27) = 19.19
Blake 2011 (10.14 + 9.12 !!!) = =19.26
Bolt 2008 (9.98 + 9.32) = 19.30
Lyles 2023 (10.15 + 9.16) = 19.31
Johnson 1996 (10.12 + 9.20) = 19.32
Lyles up to this point has had the worst bend of these five times considerably. The recipe to the WR is clear. Slightly improve the end, and be in 9.74-9.75 shape for 100m; catch a tailwind; or catch some combination of a tailwind and hit about high 9.7x/low 9.8x speed. The numbers are there. It can happen.
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In the end he ran the 76th fastest 100m time in history, not the 3rd fastest time, as he predicted.
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