LRC note. We added in to the title that she trained in Cheptegei's camp as this is much more newsworthy than your average run of the mill doping bust. the same thing was true last year when someone in Kipchoge's camp was banned.
Nandrolone is what got Shelby banned for 4 years. Nandrolone is a steroid that increases muscle mass and was once widely used in the beef industry but RARELY used by distance runners. I could believe she or any distance runne...
As I don't remember threads, posted by LRC, like the following, does anyone?
American Shelby Houlihan - part of Shalane Flanagan's camp - busted
American Shelby Houlihan - part of Evan Jager's camp - busted
American Shelby Houlihan - part of Centro's camp - busted
It's pretty simple. Shelby was the top threat in Bowerman to win a medal by the time she was busted, Flanagan was retired and Jager was just too injured (don't start with Centrowitz). Wouldn't you laugh if you saw an article that said "Eliud Kipchoge - part of Philemon Kacheran's camp - busted"?
I'll tell you what I think. I don't, for one second, blame this girl, Cheemusto. Being from rural Uganda and probably not having the best access to formal education, there's no way for her to know anything about PEDs let alone discern which ones would help her performance and recovery. So probably some coach's, agent's or physician's handiwork here.
Fortunately for Uganda, they don't really don't have the depth of Kenya and Ethiopia. Their whole reputation is anchored upon two super talented athletes in Cheptegei and Kiplimo with only a few world class athletes. If there's a problem, it should be easy to nip it in the bud before it worsens. So hopefully the authorities move early and catch the foreigners (yes, foreigners) responsible for this before it's too late.
Judging from this Ugandan article, anti-doping testing in Uganda is a joke. It appears the first WADA testers only arrived for the first time this year, only stayed for 2 days, and their stay was widely publicised beforehand with 100 Ugandan athletes 'declaring their intention to be tested'.
So there appears to be no random out of competition testing in Uganda. No wonder European managers and coaches descended on the place as soon as testing got improved in Kenya and stars like Kieplimo, Mussalagaga, and Cheptegai immediately staryed appearing.
Average OOC tests for Uganda athletes at Worlds (3), and for Top 8 athletes (4.5). Not the highest numbers but also not what you are insinuating.
Everyone is aware of the flaws in the systems of slowly reacting to emerging athletes and getting them in the AIU/countries' OOC system. Fortunately Chemusto has been caught before any major issues there.
Now, Ronald Musugala. Yes, he had a career year in 2019 and went from 3:33.65 to 3:30.58. But is this really some crazy smoking gun. Assuming the super spikes had some sort of impact (1 second?) there like most of us do, and it's about a 2-second improvement in his first year running in super-fast Diamond Leagues as opposed to meets like the FBK Games/Marseille. Shall we hold George Mills and Matt Stonier to your new standards and say they are now very suspicious because they are 3:30-31 runners from a 3:33-34 level? Sorry, I'm just not seeing this one. Also nobody had Musagala as a bet for a gold medal in Doha with Tim smoking him. Yes, he was considered in the medal mix.
You'd think you would adopt a little humility after defending one of the most obvious dopers of the last few years, whose own coach and manager both publicly expressed astonishment at her incredible improvement, and who has now indeed been busted (if El K is correct, by Kenyan testers). The only other person who defended her was Hoad, who is clearly a professional shill for the East African doping industry with his 24 hour ability to get around IP bans .
And what are you talking about Ugandan athletes being tested 3 times at 'the Worlds'? What has this got to do with my point about there being no random testing in Uganda?
Shoes are getting better all the time. Shoes didn't suddenly give everyone 2 seconds improvement in 2019 overnight. George Mills has been improving steadily pretty much since he came back from a near career ending injury as a teen. This year he moved camp and has clearly benefitted. And yes, if he never breaks 3:35 again now he gets tested 3 times a year....oh wait
You (and John Wesley Harding who is presumably the mod deleting half the African doping threads on the basis of them.being 'discriminatory') assume that African runners should be held to the same standards as Western runners. No they shouldn't. A Kenyan or Ugandan dropping 5 seconds is more suspicious than a Western runner because we know doping is rampant there. A Spanish Moroccan dropping 6 seconds at 24 is more suspicious than Nordas because we've seen it all before. Tell WADA they are racist and discriminatory for having Morocco, Kenya, Ethiopia on their 'most likely doping' list and stop haranguing me.
Average OOC tests for Uganda athletes at Worlds (3), and for Top 8 athletes (4.5). Not the highest numbers but also not what you are insinuating.
Everyone is aware of the flaws in the systems of slowly reacting to emerging athletes and getting them in the AIU/countries' OOC system. Fortunately Chemusto has been caught before any major issues there.
Now, Ronald Musugala. Yes, he had a career year in 2019 and went from 3:33.65 to 3:30.58. But is this really some crazy smoking gun. Assuming the super spikes had some sort of impact (1 second?) there like most of us do, and it's about a 2-second improvement in his first year running in super-fast Diamond Leagues as opposed to meets like the FBK Games/Marseille. Shall we hold George Mills and Matt Stonier to your new standards and say they are now very suspicious because they are 3:30-31 runners from a 3:33-34 level? Sorry, I'm just not seeing this one. Also nobody had Musagala as a bet for a gold medal in Doha with Tim smoking him. Yes, he was considered in the medal mix.
You'd think you would adopt a little humility after defending one of the most obvious dopers of the last few years, whose own coach and manager both publicly expressed astonishment at her incredible improvement, and who has now indeed been busted (if El K is correct, by Kenyan testers). The only other person who defended her was Hoad, who is clearly a professional shill for the East African doping industry with his 24 hour ability to get around IP bans .
And what are you talking about Ugandan athletes being tested 3 times at 'the Worlds'? What has this got to do with my point about there being no random testing in Uganda?
Shoes are getting better all the time. Shoes didn't suddenly give everyone 2 seconds improvement in 2019 overnight. George Mills has been improving steadily pretty much since he came back from a near career ending injury as a teen. This year he moved camp and has clearly benefitted. And yes, if he never breaks 3:35 again now he gets tested 3 times a year....oh wait
You (and John Wesley Harding who is presumably the mod deleting half the African doping threads on the basis of them.being 'discriminatory') assume that African runners should be held to the same standards as Western runners. No they shouldn't. A Kenyan or Ugandan dropping 5 seconds is more suspicious than a Western runner because we know doping is rampant there. A Spanish Moroccan dropping 6 seconds at 24 is more suspicious than Nordas because we've seen it all before. Tell WADA they are racist and discriminatory for having Morocco, Kenya, Ethiopia on their 'most likely doping' list and stop haranguing me.
So you are advocating that African runners be held to higher standards than Western runners. That is what you wrote. You are truly becoming a caricature of yourself. There is absolutely no racism in your post. BUT the African runner must be held to a higher standard is what you wrote. Just as the black person must be held to a higher standard in order to vote? Is this what you believe?
Wish the governing body would actually do a real study on boar meat and statistically clear Shelby’s name. they owe it to these people
Good one, Rekrunner!
Sorry -- wasn't me. You can tell this a number of ways.
My take on Shelby actually has little to do with Shelby herself. First, WADA themselves calls 10 ng/ml the "low ng/ml range" -- ADAs/ADOs should be treating these low range values as ATFs possibly due to accidental ingestion until they observe a pattern. I agree with the CAS minority, that the WADA lab, the AIU and their experts, and the CAS majority, got this wrong. Second, I agree with USA anti-doping chief Travis Tygart that accidental ingestion should not be treated as "guilty until proven innocent", as that "railroads innocent athletes into four year sanctions" "where athletes did absolutely nothing wrong but (are) treated like intentional cheats".
No "real study on boar meat" will change the statistics in a way that will clear Shelby's name, without WADA reform designed to protect innocent athletes. Shelby should never have been put in a position to have to explain this uncontested one-time ingestion of a quantity of nandrolone "in the low ng/ml range".
But since this thread is about an Ugandan athlete and the presense of nandrolone, one thing we should have learned from the Shelby case is that, while such nandrolone ingestion from non-castrated boar organs would be rare, in non-Covid times, across the USA and Canada, over time -- this argument does not apply to nations whose farmers do not routinely castrate their pigs. We saw this is the case in Kenya -- and probably Uganda too.
We already knew from a 2017 study with the support of WADA, the AIU, and ADAK, that the main source by far of Kenyan doping positives were from nandrolone, and that athletes, and their doctors, are not always aware of the strict obligations of athletes with respect to doping and medical treatment.
Nandrolone is a common treatment for injuries, and, as we should have learned from Shelby, a more likely source of nandrolone (compared to the USA during non-Covid times), in countries that that do not routinely castrate their male pigs, will be from pork meat and pork organ ingestion.
I am a fan of Cheptegei but this is akin to Kipchoge getting someone in his camp/coach's sueprvision busted.
Yeah. If I had to guess, they will say she went rogue. Recall from that article on her breakthrough she was kicked out for flaunting the rules of the camp. In this second stint, she left the camp/supervision to tend to her son, so they can allege that that is when she used PEDs and there was no oversight/involvement. Their best defense of course is that Cheptegei has been subject to more testing for an extended and has never returned a positive test of course. But of course, you can't fault anyone on these boards for being increasingly suspicious now that someone who trained under the same roof got caught.
Not too many years ago, an athlete from singapore by the name of Soh Rui Yong had been caught living under one roof with an american doper by the name of Jordan Chipangama who failed 2 drugs test in the same period of time of his residence and training with him.
Is it likely that Soh Rui Yong had also been doping together with Jordan even he hadn't been caught? His case is a little worse than Janet's because while Janet camp had way many more runners than just 2, and there were not living under one roof but in Soh Rui Yong's case it was just him and Jordan alone kinda 'romantic' you would think, and also living under one roof.
I'll tell you what I think. I don't, for one second, blame this girl, Cheemusto. Being from rural Uganda and probably not having the best access to formal education, there's no way for her to know anything about PEDs let alone discern which ones would help her performance and recovery. So probably some coach's, agent's or physician's handiwork here.
Fortunately for Uganda, they don't really don't have the depth of Kenya and Ethiopia. Their whole reputation is anchored upon two super talented athletes in Cheptegei and Kiplimo with only a few world class athletes. If there's a problem, it should be easy to nip it in the bud before it worsens. So hopefully the authorities move early and catch the foreigners (yes, foreigners) responsible for this before it's too late.
I thought you guys stopped doing the 'Poor stupid Africans, who are too damn moronic to even know what they're putting in their bodies, it's not their fault they can barely get through the day due to such low IQ levels" thing a while ago.
Bit racist really Kenny. Not something you would expect from a bad mama such as yourself.
You'd think you would adopt a little humility after defending one of the most obvious dopers of the last few years, whose own coach and manager both publicly expressed astonishment at her incredible improvement, and who has now indeed been busted (if El K is correct, by Kenyan testers). The only other person who defended her was Hoad, who is clearly a professional shill for the East African doping industry with his 24 hour ability to get around IP bans .
And what are you talking about Ugandan athletes being tested 3 times at 'the Worlds'? What has this got to do with my point about there being no random testing in Uganda?
Shoes are getting better all the time. Shoes didn't suddenly give everyone 2 seconds improvement in 2019 overnight. George Mills has been improving steadily pretty much since he came back from a near career ending injury as a teen. This year he moved camp and has clearly benefitted. And yes, if he never breaks 3:35 again now he gets tested 3 times a year....oh wait
You (and John Wesley Harding who is presumably the mod deleting half the African doping threads on the basis of them.being 'discriminatory') assume that African runners should be held to the same standards as Western runners. No they shouldn't. A Kenyan or Ugandan dropping 5 seconds is more suspicious than a Western runner because we know doping is rampant there. A Spanish Moroccan dropping 6 seconds at 24 is more suspicious than Nordas because we've seen it all before. Tell WADA they are racist and discriminatory for having Morocco, Kenya, Ethiopia on their 'most likely doping' list and stop haranguing me.
You’d think you’d click a link or care to show intellectual interest once in a while instead of immediately cramming your worldview on everyone. I shared a link showing the AIU’s average testing including OOC for every country. It showed that Ugandan team members averaged 3 OOC tests overall and 4.5 for their top 8 runners going into Eugene. So it has everything to do with your unhinged rants.
I said 1 second for shoes in the 1500. This is a conservative number and many here would advocate for more with few saying less. Musagala broke 3:35 in 2021. It probably hurt him a good deal that COVID occurred after his best season, which I’m sure you’ll ignore.
Katir made his big improvements at age 23, 4 months in Monaco not 24. Nordas made his at age 24, 8 months. And Mills has been steadily improving by which you mean going from 3:36.72 in 2020 to 3:35.30 in 2022. If he was African yes he’d be on your radar.
Anyhow, I don’t argue with the extra testing scrutiny and Uganda should continue to bolster testing until they’re more in line with Kenya’s. But your insistence on ignoring and twisting facts is obnoxious.
Shelby should never have been put in a position to have to explain this uncontested one-time ingestion of a quantity of nandrolone "in the low ng/ml range".
Seriously? Are you really suggesting the AIU should have ignored her 5.2 - 5.8 ng/ml, while the threshold is 2 ng/ml?? You are getting more extreme from year to year.
Aside from that: of course there is no evidence that she only used nandro once. Uncontested one-time, lol. But getting caught once with roids is enough for a ban, no need to prove she used it 100 times. Sorry, drug cheat fans.
Second, I agree with USA anti-doping chief Travis Tygart that accidental ingestion should not be treated as "guilty until proven innocent", as that "railroads innocent athletes into four year sanctions" "where athletes did absolutely nothing wrong but (are) treated like intentional cheats".
Sorry to remind you, but it wasn't accidental ingestion, and even USA anti-doping chief Travis Tygart agreed that it wasn't in the burrito. You should stop implying he ever said otherwise.