I believe that Shelby didn’t start doping until after the 2019 world championships when she ran the race of her life and still got crushed. Today’s run by Monson validates my belief. If Monson can run 14:19 while clean, that makes it more likely that Shelby was clean when she ran 14:23.
The ON training group is just plaIn better. Maybe Jerry S. isn’t the super genius that he gets credit for … BTC eats the burrito; ON are winners.
I believe that Shelby didn’t start doping until after the 2019 world championships when she ran the race of her life and still got crushed. Today’s run by Monson validates my belief. If Monson can run 14:19 while clean, that makes it more likely that Shelby was clean when she ran 14:23.
The ON training group is just plaIn better. Maybe Jerry S. isn’t the super genius that he gets credit for … BTC eats the burrito; ON are winners.
ON are all winners? By my estimate, outside of Monson, their women's team is taking a deep, steep dive. Sage Klecker, Sinta Vissa, Joesette Andrews, Carmela Baez, and a handful of others that have just disappeared into the night. Seems like all the men besides Nuguse are not not too far behind the women.
I believe that Shelby didn’t start doping until after the 2019 world championships when she ran the race of her life and still got crushed. Today’s run by Monson validates my belief. If Monson can run 14:19 while clean, that makes it more likely that Shelby was clean when she ran 14:23.
I understand you are not very bright, but you make no sense at all. Shelby ran 14:23 in 2020, so even if she didn’t start doping until 2019 how would that make her 14:23 in 2020 clean?
Alica Monson ran 14:19 on a 2nd or 3rd generation super-track in ON pebax super-spikes with international pacing and pressure to help the PR and AR
Shelby somehow ran 14:23 on a high school track in "old school" Nike Victory2 spikes in a team meet
So Shelby had some kind of undefined extra factor we can't possibly know for sure. Was it talent? Was it training? Or was it was she was popped for? Unfortunately she's ruined any chance of us ever knowing the facts so we cannot trust her results.
Anyways, FANTASTIC performance by Alica and I hope she keeps chipping away on that time and makes it to 14:15 or even better if possible.
I believe that Shelby didn’t start doping until after the 2019 world championships when she ran the race of her life and still got crushed. Today’s run by Monson validates my belief. If Monson can run 14:19 while clean, that makes it more likely that Shelby was clean when she ran 14:23.
this is the stupidest thing i've read on here today. how are you so sure monson is clean? and i don't even what to know how you came to the conclusion on when shelby starting doping.
They appear to make a big difference every time the African's sweep the medals at a world or Olympic championship but not too much of a difference when a white person runs an incredible time.
I believe that Shelby didn’t start doping until after the 2019 world championships when she ran the race of her life and still got crushed. Today’s run by Monson validates my belief. If Monson can run 14:19 while clean, that makes it more likely that Shelby was clean when she ran 14:23.
this is the stupidest thing i've read on here today. how are you so sure monson is clean? and i don't even what to know how you came to the conclusion on when shelby starting doping.
You can disagree with someone without being mean. Don’t be such a jerk. And don’t ask a question that has already been answered. Take the time to read through the thread before commenting if you have any ideas you want to contribute. Otherwise follow the direction of Logan Roy and F off.
You’re the one who’s not bright if you don’t know how to disagree with someone without insulting them. I never said she started doping immediately after the 2019 world championships. Just sometime after that.
If you think you’re so smart then how about you explain how Monson can be clean if Shelby was dirty.
You’re the one who’s not bright if you don’t know how to disagree with someone without insulting them. I never said she started doping immediately after the 2019 world championships. Just sometime after that.
If you think you’re so smart then how about you explain how Monson can be clean if Shelby was dirty.
Who thinks Shelby is clean but the East Africans dirty?Shelby finished out of medals in 2019 with the AR .Do you think if she had doped would she have ran faster than 3;51?
I actually agree that Shelby is probably more talented than Monson, but there are plenty of reasons why Monson could've run faster that have nothing to do with doping:
-Monson had superspikes, Shelby didn't
-Monson essentially had the best possible pacemakers today, chasing a group of four women running right at 14:20 pace. Shelby had Schweizer for company in her 14:23 race but she still had to do a lot of the work herself.
-If Shelby didn't get banned, she likely would've lowered the record further in the past two years.
Neither you nor I have any idea if Monson is clean, and either way it isn't evidence for or against Shelby.
This is a plausible explanation that I am willing to accept. Thank you. I believe Monson is clean.
Who thinks Shelby is clean but the East Africans dirty?Shelby finished out of medals in 2019 with the AR .Do you think if she had doped would she have ran faster than 3;51?
I do. How else to explain someone breaking an American record and still getting crushed? It has happened so many times. It’s sickening to witness.
You’re the one who’s not bright if you don’t know how to disagree with someone without insulting them. I never said she started doping immediately after the 2019 world championships. Just sometime after that.
If you think you’re so smart then how about you explain how Monson can be clean if Shelby was dirty.
People here have repeatedly pointed out that USADA internally declared her to be suspicious based on her increased tests - well beyond those of comparable Frerichs and even Rupp: 10 tests in 2018, 22 tests in 2019, 28 tests in 2020.
As for your theory, let's look into quarters:
2018: 2 + 3 + 2 + 3
2019: 8 + 8 + 4 + 2
2020: 10 + 8 + 4 + 6
So somewhere between late 2018 / early 2019 she became USADA's target. Looks like her suspicious values started some time late in 2018, not after worlds in Sep/Oct 2019.
Sadly it took until Dec 2020 and AIU's mercilessly unannounced testing to finally nab her.
Monson can be clean or dirty. Shelby is a banned doper.
Two big problems with using increased testing as proof she was doping prior to when she tested positive:
1) She was being tested so often and yet tested negative each time. What’s more believable: an athlete who runs a great time after only being tested once or twice a year, or an athlete running a great time after being tested more than 20 times the previous year?
2) Why would she dope if she knew she was being tested so often? That would be like a kid cheating on a test while they know the teacher is watching them.
I think to try to pinpoint one runner's superiority over another based on a singular performance, irrespective of the doping/not doping issue, is really incomplete. What I'd like to know is how their performances over a given period of time compare, as I don't have the knowledge that other folks on here possess.
Monson could theoretically be the "lesser runner" and have an extraordinary day for the aforementioned reasons concerning pacing, determination, etc. The best example of having "it" on a given day, to my mind, is when Coburn and Frerichs went 1/2 in 2017. They did not have more talent/doping/shoes whatever than Chepkoich and others, but that was their. day.
and that’s why people microdose and when their metabolism changes even slightly or the compound formula isn’t quite the same as before they pop a positive test
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